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Old 12-03-2010, 12:52 PM   #57
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I know when I first got my law license, I felt ignorant of everything but arcane research. Then I found myself prosecuting slumlords in court and trying cases with no experience. That was scary. I am, from my own experience, skeptical about those with lack of experience. For the record, I won all those cases and managed not to wet my pants
Although this is sort of "off topic"--that's interesting. So you're saying lawyers don't have to have any "clinical" experience to be admitted to the bar? All health care professions have extensive clinical requirements, I guess, because, you can't have kids straight out of school treating patients without some experience.

Engineering doesn't require practical experience for a degree, but many engineers, including myself, went through a "co-op" program getting their degrees, alternating periods between school and a cooperating employer. I co-op'ed to earn the money to go through school, but it was probably the best decision I ever made. By the time I graduated I "knew the score" and was able to step into my first engineering job with confidence (a commodity I was woefully short of in those days).

As a postscript, in Ohio at least, you do have to have (and document) five years of practical experience before being allowed to take the exam to become a registered professional engineer, allowing you to hang out your shingle as a consultant to the unsuspecting public.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:05 PM   #58
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Yowee, 2air!!!!

Thanks for all that clarification.


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Old 12-03-2010, 01:13 PM   #59
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And, Maggie, how long did you work as a PTA?

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A couple of years. Post divorce, with two young'uns, I went back to college and became a social worker.


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Old 12-03-2010, 01:48 PM   #60
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To my forum friends, it has been 1 month since I had my surgery. I have to say - as others have said- I am glad that I have done this surgery. So far the knee pain that I had prior to surgery is totally gone. I do experience some discomfort in the knee area. Thankfully I was able to get into the Providence Rehab Center, so I went from the hospital area to the rehab. It was a great relief for us as I would have had to go to some other rehab center w/o the extensive on physical therapy. I have been walking without a walker for a few weeks already. I must keep working on "walking" correctly. For so long I was limping, schuffling along that I must work on not getting back into a habit. To date I continue to go to PT and beginning tomorrow I will start working with my "PT (- personal trainer) at our local gym. She will be working with me on my core and stability. It looks as if I will have a few more sessions with the outpatient physical therapist.
Overall to date I am extremely happy with how I am doing. And I am so very grateful to my devoted husband (RustyRivet) who had done so many things out of this element, ie, grocery shopping, laundry, meals and dishes. He has been a true blessing for me.
I will continue to work hard on getting back on all the mobility so that I will be able to take many A/S trips this spring, and meeting many of you along the way.
In the mean time my goal is to continue to lose a few more pounds (a added benifit to surgery and not being able to raid the fridge easily) and enjoy our trip in January to Cabo. thanks to all for the support and I will continue to keep you posted and will also appreciate your comments/support. Susan
Hello Susan
I have just realised you have undergone an upgrade.
I misread the posting date, 12th Jan it wasn't, 1st Dec it was.
When Hans was very sick, out of fear and panic I asked all Insundry for advice
and ended in a right tizzy. All well meaning,Some frightened the life out of me others made me feel better, so I stopped asking and existed in my own paranoid bubble
Ive got to go out later in the snow to collect my new apple desktop.
I broke the news to Hans at top speed,when I was on the phone to the couriers who called earlier and left a card. He's sort of over it now and in his slippers but i'll soon change that when I ask him to accompany me.
I need someone to push when I get stuck in the snow..
He's already plotting a revenge Tit for Tat, and talking about buying a new Model Aircraft Kit..
I really do need to lose some weight myself..
I cannot stop shoving sweeties and goodies into the little hole under my nose.
I do hope you are mending nicely, and hopefully soon you can strike out
and enjoy yourself once the dratted soreness has subsided.
Love from TC TC's Husband and TC's Offspring..
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:04 PM   #61
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Nuvi, when I was in law school, there were a few clinics with some pretty limited real experience. The state's highest court wasn't friendly to this and I imagine the same was true elsewhere. There was a course in "trial technique" which I didn't take, so I was let out into the real world to be hired by an unsuspecting city government. I think there are more clinics now and some students have always worked part time or summers for law firms (I was remodeling a house and teaching history part time at a local college). When I looked into going to law school in Ontario many years ago, the process included 1 1/2 years of apprenticeship after 3 years of law school—it was called articleship—and only then could you take the Ontario bar exam. I don't know if I would have had to wear a white wig also.

At one time lawyers "read the law" as apprentices for lawyers. Eventually they went to the local state court judge and asked to be admitted to the bar; go to another county, get admitted again. Around the turn of the last century law schools started to pop up to teach the theory of law and how to do research. Also it was important to understand something of all areas of law instead of only that area you were learning as an apprentice. Bar exams were created and lawyers started to get admitted statewide. The degree was Ll.B., bachelor of law, and some students didn't go to undergraduate college, some went for 2 years, some got a bachelors degree and then went to law school.

In the 1960's, lawyers started lobbying to have the degree changed to J.D., juris doctor (doctor of laws), so we would feel better about ourselves and others with doctorates would respect us. Ironically, the next degree was an Ll.M., master of law, and there's another higher degree called a doctorate (possibly called Ll.D.)—this doesn't make sense and maybe by now someone has figured that out.

So we now have doctorate inflation and what will the next degree be called? Grand Vizier? High Muck-a-muck?

Which reminds me of this take on an old song:

Everybody loves a doctor,
And I'm in love with me,
Call me doctor!
Call me doctor!

Now far off topic, but I suppose the relationship is that when you get your knees done, you hope for someone who knows what to do to help you regardless of how many letters they have after their name.

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Old 01-04-2011, 03:48 PM   #62
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Just got a "Ryder Triathlon" knee prosthesis put in 6 days ago, and I've got to get stronger pain meds because when I stand up the pain level rockets from 0 to 9 in a second! That pain is worse than the PT pain- anyone else having this issue? -tim
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:30 PM   #63
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Just got a "Ryder Triathlon" knee prosthesis put in 6 days ago, and I've got to get stronger pain meds because when I stand up the pain level rockets from 0 to 9 in a second! That pain is worse than the PT pain- anyone else having this issue? -tim
Yep.

It's the surgery, then physical therapy, then back to the docs, more therapy, and more therapy.

After about 8 months, it became tolerable, but most importantly, far better than the original knee.

Walking, without limping, takes a little concentration.

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Old 01-04-2011, 05:10 PM   #64
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You are right Andy, it does take concentration to walk without limping, what I also refer to as waddling. I'm two months into the bilateral, and am very happy at how well I am getting around. But still do have discomfort when I have done too much. Susan
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:21 PM   #65
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I had my right knee scoped about 3 weeks ago. I am walking fine. I walked out of the surgical center unassisted. Some swelling for a week or so, some pain though not much. Healing takes energy and that slows me down more than the pain I still feel at time—planting my foot and turning my body is definitely not fun, but I forget to watch for that. Still using some ice and ibuprofen. I never had to use the Vicodin I was given. Now I have a little less cartilage and hopefully less pain when healing is complete.

This is nothing like a knee replacement and I hope never to have to have that done. I don't like lying around and would be the worst of patients. To tphan and others who have had major knee surgery, I hope you heal fast, PT is not too bad, and the pain eases quickly.

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Hiking again!

Just over 8 weeks after my partial...hiked again. At the 4CU get together at Picacho Peak, just a few miles, all off pavement and with just enough hills to make it fun...feels great.
I did have some minor swelling, some soreness but no pain. Best of all, the stability is fantastic. This was my greatest concern and desire for my fix. Back to PhysTherapy and see the Doc next week. Hope to be back to full duty by end of month, Lord willing and that river don't rise!

Tim, sorry to hear about the pain. I was under "heavy" stuff for the first few weeks, no pain meds now but still struggling with the sleep thing though being in an Airstream and camping helps!.
The best to ya all, our stories like our knees...unique.
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I started taking Glucosamine MSN several months ago, on the recommendation of my wonderful chiropractor.

It has made a significant difference in the comfort level of both knees, one of which has no cartilage left and areas of dead bone. Over the counter at Walgreen's, buy one get one free.


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Old 03-25-2011, 08:20 PM   #68
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Just visited the doc today. As I have know for some time I would require knee replacement.
Today the doc said - I would have to have both knees replaced, and suggested that it could be done at one time.
Anyone had both knees done at the same time?
Looking for your thoughts - help!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had both knees replaced at the same time in Mar of 2009 and it worked out perfect. The doc said it would take 1 1/2 hrs to do one and 2 hrs to do both. I an glad that I had both done and I was 77 at the time. havent regreted it at all. Just make sure you pick the best Dr there is.
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