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Old 12-26-2011, 08:18 AM   #15
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I have about $14k in my trailer and tow vehicle. Niether of them are new though.

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Hi, just because you bought, or own, an Airstream doesn't mean you are rich and have a money tree in your back yard. I keep reading statements like: Well if you paid $70,000.00 for your trailer and $50,000.00 for your tow vehicle You should buy:

(1.) A $3,000.00 hitch.

(2.) A $300.00 vacuum cleaner.

(3.) A $400.00 heater.

(4.) All new wheels and disk brakes.

(5.) A $1,200.00 brake controller.

And the list is endless!

Some of these people just might have a $100,000.00 loan on their trailer and tow vehicle, and actually, can barely afford to make the payments. Well, not everyone needs, wants, or can afford these items. And they certainly don't need someone shaming them deeper in dept.

Note: I don't have any of these items listed.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:21 AM   #16
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Frank makes tamales??!! Please, Frank, come to the Moraine View rally in June!

Seriously, some people are not fixers/rehabbers at all, barely can drive the nails and do routine maintenance on a home, much less create something from nothing out of an old trailer.

We really appreciate those who can, but we can't. We bought new-the-prior-year, got a nice discount and financed, because that's what we wanted to do. Were there an emergency, we could pay the balance off from savings, but minus that we will continue our auto-debit from checking each month until it is paid off.

That's what works for us. Doesn't mean we've got $$$$$, we don't.

I remember getting badly beaten up here, as a newbie on the forums, over the issue of financing. Was rescued by our very own Crawford Gene.

Different strokes for different folks, right.


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Old 12-26-2011, 08:32 AM   #17
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Frank,

I often find your posts inspiring.....sounds corny, but it is true.

We have owned all sorts of RVs from pop-up truck campers to RVs and trailers. It was not until we bought the Airstream (we own a "newish" one) that I realized we should have done this years ago.

We have met some great people at Rally's and have made some new friends. I plan a good chunk of my time off around Airstreaming, and we are looking forward to the upcoming season, to catch up with our AS family.

Frank -- ditto on the Dyson. Five years and running like the day we got it.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:37 AM   #18
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This actually may be a fundamental question for this site.....
And I can only question it from my perspective, but I'm not sure how people who own vintage trailers can really relate to those who have new trailers.....I happen to think there is a fundamental difference. People either buy something they can step into as is....or they buy something they step into as what might be........... these kinds of people are worlds apart and I'm happy to be one of them.
There's alway an exception to every rule, and I am one. I bought my 2002 ASCL 31' new along with a new TV, BUT I also own a somewhat vintage 1988 Acura Legend Coupe (restored), 1971 Kawasaki 500 "Mach III" (restored) and have been working on an experimental aircraft for way to long.

I CAN relate to those who own vintage, their time spent renovating and the end product because I appreciate the time (I've spent thousands of hours renovating/building) and talent (have to know how to twist a wrench) involved.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:06 AM   #19
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To me it's a cost vs. benefit thing.

A few years ago I went to Jackson Center and took the tour. I walked through a new 34 footer (maybe one of the last ones) being built. The sticker on it was $110K. It was a nice trailer, but honestly not worth $110K to me.

My 34 foot Avion is a 1987 model. The shape of the '87 Avion is very similar to the current Airstreams; not quite as rounded as the older ones. But at any rate, interior room is just about the same in them.

I paid $7200 for my Avion. I have since put about $5K in it. But, I've got what most people who come up to me consider a pretty decent trailer and I've got 1/9 the price of the new one in it.

Now, somebody has to buy them new ((I have the sticker for my trailer and it was $33K in 1987....so that's probably not too far from $110K in today's dollars). And good for them. But at my station in life, I don't get to camp or stream or what have you as much as I'd like, and it's simply not worth $110K to me right now. If I were to live in it full time, that'd be different.

But anyway, I think they're all good. If you want a new one and can swing it, do it. If you like to fix up an older one and put your mark on it, that's cool too. And just like my '70 Dodge Charger, it is very easy to sink more into a redo than to buy a new one; especially if you can't do the work yourself. Or, if your labor counts for anything. If you count up my hours of labor, I've probably easily got $110K of blood and sweat equity in my 34 footer.


But more importantly: Frank would you be willing to share your tamale recipe on here
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:07 AM   #20
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A prior boss at work (a hard worker, I might add) spent his life saving every penny he made. Worked two jobs most of his younger years. He invested his money wisely. Spent all of his free time reading money magazines to keep up on the markets, and was able to avoid the market crashes. He made a lot of money though people around him making the same amount of money were broke. The phones in his house were over 30 years old, and he did not own a cell phone.

About 10 months after his wife retired (he also was retired) they were both killed in an accident.

Because of this, my wife and I decided this life is not just about the destination, but also about the journey... After all, we have no guarantee we will ever get to the destination. We bought a vintage Airstream, something we could afford, and spent the next 4 years and all of our vacation time, including every penny we could save, to rebuild it, to escape the stress of work a few times a year.

I know what it means to not be able to afford to eat for several days at a time. Life was no fun. I determined that I did not want to live like that, so I went to college (while working) while my friends played around.

Today those friends are on welfare, have several kids that know nothing about life, and have been married several times. They are still undisciplined in their behavior, and think everyone in society owes them.

I am not rich, and the bank still owns much of my house. I become very bewildered as I watch the people of this great country, with all of the opportunity it has to offer, become split over class envy. Much of this nonsense is the consequence of life altering decisions (FYI, doing nothing is a decision and requires little personal discipline ) Each and every one of us need to take full responsibility for our own actions and not be upset at others who made good decisions.

We are the most giving nation in history, and at times have been one of the hardest working. Why throw a tantrum over what you don't have? Take advantage of the opportunities provided us by the blood of our forefathers in the pursuit of happiness ...
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:17 AM   #21
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I bought a new Kawasaki 500 in '71; then a 750 triple in '74; now I have an '81 CSR 1000 which I bought new.
In this day of "class war fare" in the news I don't begrudge anyone who has stuff. They have worked hard for it I'm sure. If they make payments; so what. As long as it makes life better for them. That's the key.
Life is short; so go for it!
Someone asked me if I would mind parking next to their "unpolished" Airstream in an RV park.
To me it's not about being polished or unpolished, new or vintage. It's about the trip you are on thru this life. It's short, so enjoy it!
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:19 AM   #22
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I Like it Both ways.

I have restored may items cars, boats trailers. I seldom buy anything new normally it is used or even an open box special. It is a treat to buy a new truck which I will keep 8 to 10 years or a new trailer. I have new and restored I like both. I enjoy the owner who takes on a project and makes it his own. I don't like snobs, they exist both in the new and restored side of the game. People will tell you what you need some do it to help some do it to make money some do it to be friends, you have to decide how to view it and how too spend your money. Just don't let anyone diminish the enjoyment of your Airstream.

I do want to add it is hard to BS the man who does his own work.

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Old 12-26-2011, 10:03 AM   #23
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I've been a car guy all of my life and have modified and customized brand new cars off the showroom floor as well as built hot rods from the ground up. I'm in the process of designing some interior improvements on a 2006 25' Safari FB LE that I purchased new. Unlike 98% of the posters on Airstream Forums I'm not convinced that AS's are the greatest things since sliced bread when in comes to quality construction. Quite frankly, the AS guys could learn a thing or two from the people at Featherlite when it comes to QC.

That said, I'm seeing more and more subtle digs about the "class warfare" not only here, but several other websites that cater to my interests. I do agree with the original poster that there are less than subtle pressures from self proclaimed AS experts that one really needs "X, Y and Z" to be real Airstreamers on this site.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:14 AM   #24
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Unfortunately you have NOT learned what Airstreaming is about. It is about none of the things you mentioned. There are only the differences you create. Sorry, dude, just being honest. I know you are new on this scene, and have launched right into it full force. You have not, however actually Airstreamed yet, for had you been to an event, that statement would never have been said. I own nothing but vintage. I am the vintage type. However many of my friends own newish units and they are no different than me. Their happy hour contribution or their pot luck dish tastes just as good as mine.

Going vintage is not a cost saver either. It is very possible to spend more on a restoration than a new trailer will cost. If you do not believe this true, just talk to my two current clients. They are both buying brand new trailers, it just happens that originally one was new in 1957 and the other was new in 1971. Looks like in 2012 they will be reborn again.


Robert, I own that $400 vacuum. 10 years ago I threw out our 5th vacuum. I bit the bullet and bought a Dyson. Second best money ever spent. The Airstream was the best money spent!
Well said Frank....

I have gone both waze, started there and ended up here.
No difference as far as I can tell.
I spend my $$$ on the things I feel are worth it, yes I have the 3k hitch.
Is it necessary, no.....but then again neither is "Cloudsplitter".

Very sorry if some of our choices offend the sensitive......NOT.

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Old 12-26-2011, 11:05 AM   #26
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Unlike 98% of the posters on Airstream Forums I'm not convinced that AS's are the greatest things since sliced bread when in comes to quality construction. Quite frankly, the AS guys could learn a thing or two from the people at Featherlite when it comes to QC.
I'm with you 100% on that. I love my Featherlite! And my Triton aluminum ATV trailer too.
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Old 12-26-2011, 11:20 AM   #27
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Hi, just because you bought, or own, an Airstream doesn't mean you are rich and have a money tree in your back yard. I keep reading statements like: Well if you paid $70,000.00 for your trailer and $50,000.00 for your tow vehicle You should buy:

(1.) A $3,000.00 hitch.

(2.) A $300.00 vacuum cleaner.

(3.) A $400.00 heater.

(4.) All new wheels and disk brakes.

(5.) A $1,200.00 brake controller.

And the list is endless!

Some of these people just might have a $100,000.00 loan on their trailer and tow vehicle, and actually, can barely afford to make the payments. Well, not everyone needs, wants, or can afford these items. And they certainly don't need someone shaming them deeper in dept.

Note: I don't have any of these items listed.
Here is the original post, in case you have forgotten. I don't see any mention of class war going on here. In an attempt to return to the topic,
I think it has a lot to do with folks that like to spend money and then have a need to justify their expenses. Oh, and you left off "A $2000 generator" from the list.

There are lots of different people out there. Some have lots of money and want everyone to know how much money they have.

Others have access to cash and want to get "the best" there is out there. Often this group tend to follow brand names and fall for the advertising gurus.

Most of us, I surmise, "can" get some money together and want to find a product that is dependable and does the job well. These folks research extensively and go out and get a vacuum that they can afford and one that actually works.

Another group always tries to spend as little as possible for whatever reason.

The problem will all of these folks is that a good number of them spend too much time trying to justify their decisions. This is when the discussions of hitches, wheels, disc brakes and such will get nasty. This forum is a great place for people to discuss their trailers and what they have, what they like and what they are using. I love to read all the opinions but when someone with disc brakes tells me that I won't be able to stop my trailer in time to avoid killing my family, or the guy with a $3K hitch says I am gambling with the safety of everyone around me, that is when everything goes south in a hurry.

So, I agree with your statement about people trying to "shame" others into purchasing all of the stuff in the list. Those who try to put pressure on us are the ones trying real hard to justify how they spend their money. I have no problem with your decisions, but please leave me out when you want to make yourself feel better about your new hitch.
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Like a lot of debates on here, things have quickly polarized into two camps; new and shiny but costs a lot, against old and needs a lot of work but is a whole lot cheaper. Fortunately this site covers the whole spectrum of Airstream owners, which is its strength, so surely no matter how you come into Airstreaming, we all have that big silver thing in common. Sure, it's human nature to defend your own approach but please, please be tolerant of the way other people do things.

We'd all do well to remember that the opinions stated in these threads are just that; opinions.
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