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Old 02-18-2010, 09:45 AM   #29
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I dont think most buyers are all that worried about their rigs lasting a long time. I get the feeling that a lot of buyers have the plan of using them a few years as they do the trip of a life time kind of thing and then sell them. Face it, if someone is 65 buying a new camper what are the odds they will be using it over five years. Those doing so over ten are probably pretty rare. Given that, who would want to spend twice as much on construction designed to out live themselves?
For petes sake, read what I wrote before getting your panties in a bunch. I was speaking to my perception of the masses buying rvs and what the average intended use was.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:51 AM   #30
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I agree, though, with Rodney's original perception: Folks buy those white-sided rigs with the intention of "upgrading" within the next five years or so. It's pretty amazing to watch discussions on, e.g., RV.net: Old rig is late 90s; vintage is mid-90s. Geez. Airstreams are just getting broken in properly in the 90s.

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Old 02-18-2010, 10:02 AM   #31
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Come check my pulse.Im 70+ maybe I have stroked out and am just imagining Im here. I would like to use my AS for at least 10 more yrs.
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We looked at new AS's and 5th wheels and moto homes,in access of a 100 k .We settled on our 77 AS because of all the factors mentioned above.The one 5 wheel we looked at had everything,but it was 13'6" high What a sail.I would have hated to pull that in the wind and Im an old retired trucker and know about 13/6 trailers.
Be happy with what you have. With a little tlc It will last ya a lifetime.

Im glad we purchased what we have.
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:13 AM   #32
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At the Texas Vintage Airstream rally last week there was one of the very rare Airstream 5th wheel trailers. I think it was an 88. Of course it was not Aluminum just one of Thor's SOB square body models at that time with Airstream painted on it. I think they only made these for a few years.

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Old 02-18-2010, 11:03 AM   #33
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For petes sake, read what I wrote before getting your panties in a bunch. I was speaking to my perception of the masses buying rvs and what the average intended use was.
Rodney, old men don't wear panties, we wear Depends. After I stroke out in my nearly new Airstream, I will come back as a zombie and keep traveling.

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Old 02-18-2010, 11:26 AM   #34
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For petes sake, read what I wrote before getting your panties in a bunch. I was speaking to my perception of the masses buying rvs and what the average intended use was.
I apologize for my reaction to your perception. Until I checked your profile, I did not realize that you were not yet old enough to have a valid perception about age.

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Old 02-18-2010, 12:23 PM   #35
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You guys quit waving your walking canes and site back down on your scooters before you throw your backs out.

Last Saturday I was pretty disgruntled about all the things I've been having to fix lately on a less than 3 year old International. I actually mumbled something about trading it in, which got That Look from the DW, who loves her Airstream.

We went to the fairgrounds for a pretty good size sportsman show with lots of new RV's. First thing there, I hit the beer stand for a cold one before setting out to see what I wanted instead. I probably stepped into 20 motorhomes ranging in price from $40,000 to $280,000, another 30 tow trailers and 5er's from $25,000 to $90,000. As I stepped out of the last one I said "screw this crap, lets go look at the classic cars and trucks".

Fixing the last few things Sunday seemed to go a lot easier. Can't wait to head out again in a week.

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:00 PM   #36
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Me, I just feel sorry for all you youngsters and old coots who are not 60.

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:29 PM   #37
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This thread has been fun to read. We are going out tonight to the RV show here in Salt Lake City, UT to see all of the latest and greatest trailers, 5th Wheels, Motorhomes, etc. Seems like each time we go, I get home and appreciate my 1991 Airstream even more... I am thankful, always thankful it's an Airstream we are pulling each camping season!!
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:33 PM   #38
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Unhappy A SOB Story

In 2000, I bought a very respected brand of SOB brand spanking new.
Here are some the things I encountered. ( I fixed most of these myself, because it was PITA to take in back to the dealer, whom I didn't trust anyway)

They installed my hitch and sent me home with a 2 5/16 inch hitch on an 2" ball

Air conditioner ran but did not cool the trailer. They had forgot put the screws into a baffle whose purpose was to direct the air into the trailer. I had to completely disassemble the inside portion of the air conditioner.

On first trip, I noticed that gray water was dripping from underneath holding tank cover. Fitting on tank outlet was cracked. It was obviously cracked when they installed it as the sealant was inside the crack.

Radio/TV system was mis wired.

Drain under sink leaked due to fitting cross threaded.

Shower drain leaked because fitting not tightened.

In less than one year, areas of bubbles in the gel coat appeared. They required extensive repair. I let the dealer do that.

Sealant blocking skylight drain channels, so water came inside trailer instead.

Refrigerator defrost drain tube not connected so water drained into trailer.

After the warranty expired, the front window rock guard hinge came partially loose. The dealer determined that it had been installed too high and the screws had missed the 2x2 that was behind the fiberglass to hold it in place. I still had to pay for repair which included total re-installation in proper location and fill original holes.

On first trip, brakes stopped working on one side because a crimp wire connector was in place, but had never been crimped.

This is just what I remember without thinking hard about it. I am sure there are more.

Compared to that I am Loving the Airstream.

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Yeah, Ken, we've seen a little of that here, too. One young couple came in a year or two ago with a brand-spanking new white-sided rig. I helped them with hooking it up (they didn't know how) and left. They soon came to get me with leaks in the kitchen cabinet. Soooo, when it was manufactured, they put in the plumbing (pex) and then built the cabinet around it. Except that the nail gun they used on the cabinet had perforated the plumbing left and right.

Thank heavens for fast-dry JB Weld. Pulled the nails, patched the holes in the pex, and got them back on their newbie feet.


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Old 02-18-2010, 05:22 PM   #40
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Wow, I sensed a little bitterness. Which stream did you have. I'm curious. Did you just get a Lemon or have you found that all ,and I assume, newer Airstreams are that way?

Also which 5th wheel did you replace it with.

Not gonna defend Airstream just want the knowledge. I'm happy with my purchase, so far. Please enlighten me.

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I had a 2004 Classic Limited for 3 years and replaced it with a 2008 Newmar Kounty Aire.

I got just one of many poor quality Airstreams that have been built since, at least, 2000. I do not believe all of them have been built as poorly as mine was, and a number of Airstream purchasers don't really mind buying a poorly built trailer and overpaying for it, so more power to them, but if you did get a good unit it is more a matter of chance than design IMO, however.

Here's a picture of my 5th wheel (foreground), and our neighbors 5th wheel, who are fulltimers, in their Travel Supreme (I think theirs is a 2000 model).



I doubt if I'll keep my 5th wheel for 10 years, but if I wanted to I'm sure it would last well beyond the 20 years I may have left to enjoy RVing in my lifetime, and I'll enjoy the comforts of staying in it much more than I could possibly enjoy any Airstream.

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ps. Our Kountry Aire and our friends Travel Supreme are both 40', 20,000# gvw, 3 slide-out trailers.
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I had a 2004 Classic Limited for 3 years and replaced it with a 2008 Newmar Kounty Aire.

I got just one of many poor quality Airstreams that have been built since, at least, 2000. I do not believe all of them have been built as poorly as mine was, and a number of Airstream purchasers don't really mind buying a poorly built trailer and overpaying for it, so more power to them, but if you did get a good unit it is more a matter of chance than design IMO, however.

Here's a picture of my 5th wheel (foreground), and our neighbors 5th wheel, who are fulltimers, in their Travel Supreme (I think theirs is a 2000 model).



I doubt if I'll keep my 5th wheel for 10 years, but if I wanted to I'm sure it would last well beyond the 20 years I may have left to enjoy RVing in my lifetime, and I'll enjoy the comforts of staying in it much more than I could possibly enjoy any Airstream.

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ps. Our Kountry Aire and our friends Travel Supreme are both 40', 20,000# gvw, 3 slide-out trailers.
Wow nice 5th, You don't tow it with that jeep?......

Anyway, Nice post till the bashing of the Airstream in the last paragraph. But you had a bad expierence and I see you can still taste it. These airstreams are like Harley davidson riders. Don't care if they spurt or drip oil and are un-reliable they are true blue Airstreamers. Never have liked the hd much, but I can kinda see the following. I believe these hd guy/gals mostly buy them to "fit in".... With Airstream, I believe just camping is fitting in no matter what you tow. Nothing uppity about owning one.
Like I stated earlier, I believe in my heart of heats that I DID buy quality. Until proven otherwise. I did own a Airstream Argosy,briefly, 1976 24' and it was 33 years old and was solid. I had to replace parts of the floor because the holding tank drain leaked,.....nothing structural. Oven worked even the fridge got cold,water heater pilot light and thermostat and everything... just wanted new. My wife wasn't keen on the used thing so we got new. Anyway, I looked at the 5thwheels recently and as stated was impressed with the gadgets and the room, just didn't feel solid. I mean you know when you walk into a house, you can feel it. Everyone I have been in , well seemed like a Mobile home as in a manufactured home. Just not solid.



Well. Thanks for the pictures, you seem happy and thats what counts.

I hope I got a "good one"

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Old 02-18-2010, 05:56 PM   #42
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What ever floats your dream. A big fiver might be worth looking at if you were planning to full time, but way to big for my tastes. I have walked through a few at the RV shows and I find the country, all-wood, down-on-the-farm look a little dated.
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