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Old 04-17-2006, 10:04 AM   #29
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What price do you put on pleasure and enjoyment? Perhaps a better question might be: Why put a price on pleasure and enjoyment?

I suppose we have a few economists in the Forum who might give learned responses, but for most of us it doesn't matter one bit. We own our Airstreams for the opportunities and pleasures they provide so depriving ourselves of all that seems foolish and silly IMHO.

Gas prices high? Relative to what? Over what period of time? In actuality, all commodity prices have fallen in real terms over the centuries. Sure there are occasional blips, but that's just noise around the central tendency, which is downward ever downward. Best reference I know on the subject is the late Julian Simon's "The Ultimate Resource."
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Old 04-17-2006, 10:21 AM   #30
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What price do you put on pleasure and enjoyment? Perhaps a better question might be: Why put a price on pleasure and enjoyment?

Best reference I know on the subject is the late Julian Simon's "The Ultimate Resource."
Well, he did die while fuel prices were still pretty reasonable. Wonder if his impressions would still be the same, given that fuel prices are more than double what they were in 1997, and continuing to spiral out of control.

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Old 04-17-2006, 10:35 AM   #31
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Well, he did die while fuel prices were still pretty reasonable. Wonder if his impressions would still be the same, given that fuel prices are more than double what they were in 1997, and continuing to spiral out of control.
"spiral out of control" Good phrase; not such good economics. The substance of Simon's arguments would demonstrate the corrective powers of the marketplace and its interaction with human creativity and technology. Have a look at the charts in his books. A dead Julian Simon (economics, The University of Chicago) beats a live Paul Ehrlich (biology, University of Kansas) any day of the week.

Doubling of the nominal price in 9 years is an 8% per year increase. Seems like a lot. How about the cost of others stuff like college tuition and health care? This too will pass.
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Old 04-17-2006, 10:43 AM   #32
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"spiral out of control" Good phrase; poor economics. The substance of Simon's arguments would demonstrate the corrective powers of the marketplace and its interaction with human creativity and technology. Have a look at the charts in his books. A dead Julian Simon (economics, The University of Chicago) beats a live Paul Ehrlich (biology, University of Kansas) any day of the week.

Indeed. Well let's all hope that the "corrective powers of the marketplace" assert themselves before a large cross section of would be travelers, many on already stretched incomes due to rising medical costs, and out of whack utility bills have to limit their vacations to local parks and The Travel Channel.
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Old 04-17-2006, 10:54 AM   #33
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I had planned on a month long trip to the southern rockies to celebrate (read recover) from finishing this PhD up. Gas has climbed 50 cents a gallon in the mean time. The trip just isnt going to happen.
Daggone, Rodney. You do such a good job of reporting on your trips, I was looking forward to a "virtual" experience.

I hope things improve. Meanwhile, huge congrats on finishing your PhD.

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Old 04-17-2006, 10:54 AM   #34
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...I just wonder if the price of gas is going to stop any of you from making the planned trips this summer...Gryphon

HECK NO!!!! Woo Hoo! 400!!!


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Old 04-17-2006, 11:21 AM   #35
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The Big Clock ticks away ...

Decades ago someone set the alarm on the Big Clock to awaken the Big Guy Upstairs who will call me home when that alarm goes off. But no one told me when it's set to ring. I'm left to guess, and worrying won't cause it to be reset. In the meantime, down here those minutes, hours, days and months are constantly ticking away and I can sense that alarm getting closer by the year. I don't want to be caught snoozing in my armchair when it finally goes off; better to be caught in some beautiful location admiring the local handiwork when the call comes in.

For me, the price of fuel, though perhaps uncomfortable, is not as uncomfortable as the unsettling feeling the alarm might ring soon, without regard to the level of fuel prices. So I'm gonna burn some dead dinosaurs this summer while I can still extend my right foot. Each foregone double dip homemade ice cream cone is another 15 miles down the road, and giving up ice cream for diesel is a healthy trade off if I can resist the chilled chocolate temptations in my too convenient local cafe. See ya down the road this summer.
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From one Fred to another.......I couldn't have said it better myself. That was simply awesome.

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I had planned on a month long trip to the southern rockies to celebrate (read recover) from finishing this PhD up. Gas has climbed 50 cents a gallon in the mean time. The trip just isnt going to happen.
So can we call you Dr. Disarray now?

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Old 04-18-2006, 09:12 AM   #38
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Well, it's either pay the higher energy costs to run the air conditioner at home, or pay to fill up the truck to go down the road. That said, the combined miles towing this year will probably be well below 5000, and the truck stays in the garage for the most part, otherwise. Our TDI is our daily driver, and though it gets outstanding fuel economy, it still stings a bit at fillup - yesterday to the tune of about $40 for 15 gallons. And that's with diesel prices hovering here between regular and super unleaded ($2.69).
Dave said it all for me - with the exception of a thrifty Subaru for daily trips, and living in Maine rather than Texas!
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Old 04-18-2006, 09:20 AM   #39
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I Have Really Modified My Lifestyle And Spend Less On Gas Today Than I Did Five Years Ago.
1. Bought And Really Enjoy A Scion Xb - 34 Mpg.
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There Are So Many Ways To Cut Back And Not Reduce The Quality Of Life. Basically Just Drive Less And Plan More
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I had planned on a month long trip to the southern rockies to celebrate (read recover) from finishing this PhD up. Gas has climbed 50 cents a gallon in the mean time. The trip just isnt going to happen.
Take the trip. Modify it if you have to but go. PS. I still have the rare nightmare that I forgot to finish the dissertation.
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What price do you put on pleasure and enjoyment? Perhaps a better question might be: Why put a price on pleasure and enjoyment?
because my resources are limited? heck, there's lots of things I don't do, due to lack of funds. why should this be any different?
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I suppose we have a few economists in the Forum who might give learned responses, but for most of us it doesn't matter one bit. We own our Airstreams for the opportunities and pleasures they provide so depriving ourselves of all that seems foolish and silly IMHO.
for me, it actually matters QUITE a bit, and the opposite seems foolish and silly.
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Gas prices high? Relative to what? Over what period of time?
The last few years are all that is important. "relative" to my income, which has NOT changed drastically, its a significant pinch. Our whole lives are built and revolve around the price of fuel, and depend on its stability. thats not to say it can't ever go up, but a sudden spike puts a huge dent in most budgets, when you can't control the circumstances. My parents and grandparents lived and worked within a mile or 2 of their homes. Cars were luxury items. Life isn't like that now. We live where we live, and work where we work (far away) because of the great roads, and cheap gas. Everything has become centralized in a way that requires us to burn large quantities of gasoline to do almost anything, be it work, school, or even shopping for every-day goods and services. There is no practical public transportation for the same reason: not cost-effective, when there are so many good roads, and gas is so cheap. None of this can change quickly in response to the sudden change in oil prices.
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In actuality, all commodity prices have fallen in real terms over the centuries.
irrelevant to me, and anyone else who's resources are not so far beyond their expendatures that they can easily absorb the sudden doubling of any one of their regular expenses.
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Thumbs up Still going, with belts a little tighter...

We're still going gotta see the family in NC. With some modifications, fewer tourist traps, less eating out, more dishpan hands...

It will be just as fun for our son, I don't honestly recall the fancy stuff from my childhood being as fun as the swimming and fishing in new places we camped...
Congrats Rodney, sorry about the disappointment, I'm sure you'll find the perfect job for you! Best wishes.
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