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Old 03-18-2006, 09:07 PM   #1
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I can resist anything but temptation.

After agonizing over the 28 CCD and the 25 FB SE I sensibly decided to stay in my 22 ft CCD. I've fulltimed in it happily for a year, but it isn't big enough to realistically have visitors overnight.

Well long story short, I looked at all the money I DIDN'T spend this last year and decided that I really like full-timing, and that I really like the 25 FB SE. The 28 is just too big to tow and back and park and get gas with, etc. And I really DO travel so I'm not going to get something that I only move 2 or 3 times a year.

So all y'all - look in the classifieds, I've got a nice 22ft CCD I'm listing.

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Old 03-18-2006, 10:12 PM   #2
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Hi Paula,
I really like my '86 Sovereign 25' corner bed as far as ease of towing (better than my '77 Excella 500). The only way I would improve it would be to have a split mid bath with shower on the left and bathroom on the right before walking into the rear bedroom. I think you will find the 25' FB almost as easy to tow as your 22' CCD.
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Old 03-19-2006, 07:20 AM   #3
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28 too big to tow? (vs. 25)

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The 28 is just too big to tow and back and park and get gas with, etc. And I really DO travel so I'm not going to get something that I only move 2 or 3 times a year.
I am curious why you feel the 28 is too big to tow? When I look at Colonial Airstream's site, the 25 FB is the same GVWR are the 28 CCD.
I am an airstream-owner-wannabe, so I've been curious about the 25 vs 28 towing/agility distinction for about a year now.
(Congrats on the upgrade... I've enjoyed your house-to-airstream tales on the forum.)
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Old 03-19-2006, 07:50 AM   #4
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CONGRATS~!!
Paula,
I won't say I told you so but, it's been on my mind that, This was gonna happen..Just a matter of time..
1. Did you check out the stabilizer system on the 25FB?
2. Don't forget the boozes~!!
3. Did you you say it was "midnight" interior?
4. What about the "Lobster sink"?
5. Do the side windows open on the rear?
6. Did you order the spare tire?
7. I can't recall, is this with two batteries?
8. I would think the "new and roomier" bathroom is gonna change your life style~!!
I can't wait to get the TOUR~Be down next month..keep an eye out for my arrival~
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Old 03-19-2006, 08:02 AM   #5
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I am curious why you feel the 28 is too big to tow? When I look at Colonial Airstream's site, the 25 FB is the same GVWR are the 28 CCD.
I am an airstream-owner-wannabe, so I've been curious about the 25 vs 28 towing/agility distinction for about a year now.
(Congrats on the upgrade... I've enjoyed your house-to-airstream tales on the forum.)
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On the 25' FB the GVRW is 7300# the same but the net cargo carrying amount is nearly 2,000# the unit itself is lighter and of course shorter than the 28'. The rear bedroom and bath is nearly the same accept the bed is sideways to save some length. The dinette is much bigger than a side dinette with the advantage of the wraparound window view, and Paula still gains a couch over the 22' and can carry heavier stuff.

Paula I hope you will be giving us all ideas on dressing up the fb!! Wish you success on a quick sale.
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Old 03-19-2006, 09:20 AM   #6
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Congrats Paula!

Good answer Carol. The twin bed 25' FB does have 2 large (4+ feet) and 1 medium (3 feet) exterior storage compartments. The queen has only the medium storage compartment (located curbside in front of the water heater). You have to sleep in it every night so I'd really recommend going with your preferred sleeping arrangement! There is a great volume of inside storage roadside under the dinette and couch. Storage issues do depend on type, capacity, and how you use your tow vehicle. I traded from a beefy 1/2-ton up to a 3/4-ton to dependably pull long distances -- it's all about TV load capacity! Too much reliance on tow capacity puts one in peril...

Robin, I think the 28' is a beautiful Airstream but the 25' FB has similar amenities in a smaller package. Either will take Paula some time to adapt to a 6" wider trailer in her rear view mirrors. To paraphrase Everett Dirksen, "3 feet here, 3 feet there -- pretty soon it adds up!" Mobility is an issue between a 25' and a 31', so how could a 28' be just as mobile as a 25'? I want a unit that allows me to fit into smaller sites, be free as a bird, or move on a whim. Even with a 25' it can be a challenge maneuvering between pumps in traffic or pulling across a street gutter without tail dragging when entering certain gas stations. I personally do not want 'bigger.' Figures do show that after actually using for a while certain people drop down to fixed location Airstreaming (big would be good) while others continue on the road.

State and national forest sites are smaller, with 25' being a common maximum. I've even secured a reservation in a full popular state park when a 3' larger trailer would have been sent elsewhere. Of course that argument continues to work when talking about a 22' or 19' compared to the 25' ...

Good show, Paula. I hope the transition is smooth for you!
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:02 AM   #7
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Why I chose the 25 FB SE

Yes with my 3/4 ton Suburban I could tow a 28 so that wasn't the issue. I just sat in both of them and played around for about an hour. Then I went outside and walked backwards until I could see both of them at full length. The 25 is actually 25' 11" and the 28 is actually 27' 11" so there is very little difference overall, but boy it's all in the overhang behind the axle. Worried if I'd ever be able to open the ZipDee awning on the 28... I struggle a bit with the 22. Thought a little about tail drag but more about how MUCH FUN I have backing in when I park. They say the longer units are easier to control, but you still have to control that extra six feet!. I kinda like being a smaller target for those trees, water hookups, picnic tables that will jump out and get in your way when you're trying to back up in front of an audience.... I've amused the men at Indian Cove for a year, but this last time I finally had an "AHA" moment and mastered my backing domain. Maybe I just wanted a new challenge?

For some rather nebulous reason I like the bed turned sideways rather than the way it is set up in the 28, and having drawers in the bedroom is nice. I currently keep my undies on the shelf in the wardrobe. The separate bath... is OKAY and I do like having a decent sized medicine cabinet, but in truth having a completely separate bedroom with more privacy appeals to me more. The 28 actually has less counter space than the 25 (counting a stove cover and sink covers). But I really like the pull out pantry in the 25... not being really tall I sometimes lose stuff in the back of the overheads.

I'm not going to have a lobster bowl sink... but lets face it, when the urge to do "serious" cooking hits me (2-4 times a year) I can always take the big pots outside and wash them in my outside shower! Yep the 25 has one!

What most appealed to me was the layout of the dinette and gaucho. I can mentally see me with 5 or six friends sitting around having a cosmo or beer without feeling crowded. This dinette is actually much more comfortable than the one in the 22 or the 28. Simply put the CCD cushions are for looks - the Safari ones are for comfort. And of course having the dinette in the back wrap around window means it can take up 8 feet. It's actually roomier than the CCD Dinette. There are actually 2 layers of cushions for your back. A really tall person can remove one cushion for more seat room. The table is mediocre and the leg is crooked... told the salesman, then we went and looked. ALL the safari's have a table leg bent slightly to the right (top to bottom). It will be nice having some place other than my bed to recline and read or watch TV. (Now watch the 07 22 CCD come out with a gaucho option!)

The one I got didn't come fully loaded, it has the back wrap around windows, but the standard sized Safari window in the front - being a bedroom that's OK by me. The front window is fully operational, and is my "escape window" (not with my fat butt, extra extinguishers already purchased, I'm going out the door!). I'm honestly not sure, but I think the side bedroom windows open too. I have one fantastic fan instead of two, and I think only one skylight. I still have my endless breeze which will put extra air through the bedroom if I want it.

The bed seems to be semi-decent, it's not rock hard, but give me a year and I'll replace it, too. Damn, I gotta buy all new sheets AGAIN. This one even has the TV already in it, and Safford sold it somewhat below list - which is nearly impossible to get as I hear. I think I got a good deal, and if I don't sell Tin Lizzie right away, I have a "guest house" for my sister to come visiting!

If anyone out there is looking for a great deal on a 28ft CCD, give Colonial Airstream a shout. They've got one that was pre-price increase, and it's a really good deal! It's blue streak and loaded to the gills.

Do I sound psyched or what?

Silver Suppository II ? It's cute but just a bit gross.... help me name the new one.


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Old 03-19-2006, 01:47 PM   #8
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Paula,

Between you and Canoe Stream you have pretty much answered the question why a 25 footer vs a 28 footer. The 25 FB SE is the best Airstream made right now in my opinion. If I were buying one today that would be my choice too. I think it is amazing what improvements could be made in a 25 footer simply by moving the door back. Such a simple idea in breaking the mold of tradition. Duh!
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Old 03-19-2006, 01:52 PM   #9
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Smile Congratulations and good luck with your sale!

Those 25' FB SE's are so sweet!! I'm happy for ya! The layout is really appealing and I love the dinette and gaucho entertaining area too! Hope it all comes together nicely! Best wishes
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Old 03-19-2006, 05:41 PM   #10
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Hey, why don't you try a traversack from camping world? We have been
using one for 10 years and they are great! Summer on one side and winter
on the other just rip out the sheets to wash and velcro back in. the bed
is made up in a flash just pull it up. Happy Trails. We head out Wed. in our
new Quicksilver, wish us luck, we are headed to Texas.Warm Regards
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Old 03-20-2006, 12:01 AM   #11
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Thanks for the 25 vs 28 thoughts.
So it sounds like, the 25 is a favorite because it can hold more stuff, is more "nimble" (due to being 2 ft shorter) and may allowed into some parks the 28 ft is not. And for some folks, the dining room layout is much preferred.
Thanks for some insight, and look forward to seeing the pix of your new 25.
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Paula,
I am about to go full time in a 31 Classic W/Dinette. While it is big. the biggest thing I have ever towed. I do not consider it to be too big. It was the smallest trailer I was will to full time in.

55 feet bumper to bumper....
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I wonder why they can't make the 25 "FB" into a more conventional "RB" , just by flipping the floor plan. looks to me like all the heavy stuff is in the middle...unless I'm missing something, I don't see why you couldn't have essentially the same floor plan w/ the living area in front, and the bedroom in back. am I wrong? is it more than just a "gimmick" to have the door in the back?
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It is basically just flipped with the hitch at the other end. The reason why it's so cool reversed is at least in our camping style and experience that all the campsite views are at the rear. We can sit at the dinette and look at the river or woods and not the car and the street. It will make parking a breeze as now we often try to pull-in and back the car away and that really has never been able to be accomplished hard as we have tried to get "the view."
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