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Old 10-07-2008, 09:23 AM   #141
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I think the point about the weaker dollar made by flashbackk is a good one. When we were in Canada in the early part of the decade, 65¢ US would buy $1.00 C. Last time I looked, a week or so ago, the Canadian dollar was worth more than ours. So their economy has been stable and ours hasn't using that dollar index which closely resembles the relationship between Canada and the US currency.

It used to be cheap to go to Canada, but not anymore. We all know one reason of many, fuel is so expensive is the cheap dollar. Anything imported is more expensive. Cheapening the dollar was a conscious administration policy to promote exports and benefit multinational companies. Union busting has been another policy because when unions are weak everyone's wages suffer. You might think the policies are to have an underclass in the US to make cheap products to sell to the rich in other countries.

We've spent a lot of time in Canada. I've never heard anyone complain about health care there. Sure, they have a lot of taxes, and they do complain about that, but Canadians live quite well. When you draw them out they seem confused about the way the US does things and some attribute it to the influence of lobbyists. Yes, Canadians can be smug about their usually uncorrupted government and quite shocked when there is a scandal. But it appears that government in Canada is a lot more democratic and efficient. Unions are a lot stronger too. The 2 countries are much alike and we could learn from Canada, but we ignore them, a foolish and perhaps arrogant mistake. Did you know there will be an election to choose a new government on Oct. 14 in Canada? I'll bet they know everything about our elections. I don't know if there have been credit problems in Canada like here—even the NY Times doesn't have much about Canada and the Wall St. Journal closed their bureau there almost 2 years ago. The only stories I've seen about Canada lately are the shoes with feet in them washing ashore in BC. Maybe our Canadian friends on the Forum could tell us how the economy is there and how they have handled things.

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Old 10-07-2008, 11:11 AM   #142
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Yes, we're having an election a week today. A year early I might add.
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Socialism?????????

It might work for a while in places with smaller, more efficient governments, that are not in hock up their ears, and perhaps less corrupt.

Myself? I just don't understand why someone else wants to pay for my benefits. Or, just how my needs can be met by someone trying to lay out a one "size fits all" program.

When a third party is paying for anything, corruption and abuse run rampant.

I don't want someone else having control over my well being, and I certainly don't want control over others.

Their is not, nor has there ever been a free lunch.

Thanks, but no thanks, I prefer to go "Dutch treat".
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Alot has been said in this thread. Getting back to the origional question- How will an economic collapse affect the RV/TT lifestyle? I believe the key word here is COLLAPSE ! Webster says collapse , to break down suddenly; fail; give way; to fall down or fall into pieces; cave in; failure or breakdown, as in business, health, etc.. To me that dosen't sound good, nor will it benefit our hobby or lifestyle in any way. I believe we live in the greatest country in the world (just my opinion) we will survive this mess. Some will be hurt worse than others, as for me i feel the pain.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:43 AM   #145
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Myself? I just don't understand why someone else wants to pay for my benefits.
When a third party is paying for anything, corruption and abuse run rampant.
We are all in this together and we do pay for others when we pay any taxes to local or national government. If we didn't, every road would be a toll road, we'd have to pay the cops and fire fighters individually for their services. Some people couldn't and it would be open season on them for crooks and arsonists. I prefer to promote a sense of community and to help each other when we can. As for health care, it's only getting worse in this country and we are on the verge of a crisis—doctors are quitting, more and more people are not getting much care, and it's often impossible to find a doctor who has time to listen to customers. It works better in every other developed country.

Corruption and abuse seem to be human problems everywhere and I think start with a fear if "I'll screw you before you screw me" plus a belief it's a zero sum game. We'll never eliminate it entirely, but I don't want to give up trying.

Interesting discussion. But we did hijack the question about the RV lifestyle.

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Getting back,,,, It will not effect my camping one bit.... In fact going to ZION NP friday if I can get my trailer put back together.... Fuel prices are down and I wanted to go the following weekend to Zion but the camp ground was full..... So it doesn't look like its affecting to many others either...

OR maybe: they have to live in their RV on the run from the bank because the bank already took their house and is now after their trailer

Things to ponder. But not for me.....back to the AS
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Points well taken about roads, fire and police protection.

However, the failure of socialism is going on right now in our own US of A.

The Social Security Bill was signed into law by FDR on August 14, 1935. The first Social Security check was paid to Ida Mae Fuller on January 31, 1940. That check was for $22.54, the cost of which was split out to 42 people paying into the system.
Today, the cost of each Social Security check is split out to just four people paying into the system, and that number is getting smaller.

Chain letters just don't work very long. Social Security is a "pay as you go" chain letter.

Any investment to create income must have "investment over time" in the equation, or it is doomed to failure at it's inception.

I don't think that this sort of discussion is "hijacking" the thread. "I want it now" and "I am entitled to it" are some of the things that contribute to the present situation.

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Jim, there are relatively easy ways to fix the social security system. Once people earn somewhere around $96 K per year, they stop paying into the system. The top income earned used to be much higher adjusted for inflation, and could be restored to the higher income it would be if inflation had been worked into it. It would help a lot. Some of the numbers about when the system runs out of money appear to be too pessimistic. The annual inflation adjustment for payouts to recipients may be too high and that needs to be looked at.

Social security is in far better shape than Medicare. One thing taking money from Medicare is Medicare Advantage which is the alternative to Medigap insurance (Part B) and was created to enrich insurance companies and was sold as increasing coverage to us old people. Many treatments are denied by insurers in this program. Payments to insurers by Medicare are high and payouts for medical care are low—I was talking to a doctor a couple of weeks ago and he figures the Medicare Advantage insurers are getting a profit almost equal to 50% of the combination of premiums and government subsidy. As originally constituted, Medicare's administrative costs were around 3% and it was extremely efficient—it's much higher now after all the changes brought by a conservative Congress and administration. When the people in charge don't want a program, don't trust them to fix it—they'll find a way to screw it up because they want to bring it down. In fact, isn't that what they've done to the government in the past 8 years?—look at FEMA, the SEC, Justice Dept., etc.

It would be almost impossible to take away Medicare or further screw it up without an elderly revolt. Can you see all us grey hairs marching, crawling, stumbling our way to Washington, waving our canes (torches and pitchforks get heavy after a while)? So we have to fix it. Most Americans want these programs and as health care gets worse and worse, a single payor system becomes inevitable. Most of what we hear in the US is that single payor systems in other countries don't work, but we are being told that by the health insurance companies who are making profits out of the present chaos. Ask the people who actually know as I have when in Canada.

Yes, Jim, they are all pay as you go programs and I can't think of any other way to do it. Maybe the payments for social security and Medicare should be invested in Chinese government bonds. The idea that the taxes to pay for these programs is just invested in treasury bonds and then the bonds are borrowed to pay for other things is silly. I won't contend everything done makes sense and it was probably some sort of compromise to make it look like the money was in a "lock box".

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What we need is a good war to fix the economy....

WHAT??...we already have two.

Never mind..
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Perhaps if the feds stopped "borrowing" money from the SS trust fund to pay for pork and the income limit was raised (after all, they get SS when they're eligible), we wouldn't have the projected deficits in SS...

Seems as if gov't money is becoming increasing "tight" not because of healthcare, social security, medicare, etc., but because of subsidies and bailouts. Maybe it's payback time for those who were bought...

The numbers used several years ago to describe the "projected" bailout costs of social security (used to promote the privitization argument), pale in comparison as to what's bandied about now for Wall Street. It'll be well over a trillion dollars when all is said and done. That's not counting the bailout that was slipped in for the auto industry just last week. Or the costs incurred for the 2 wars. Or for buying votes via "pork" for a congressman/senator (of either party! ).

This discussion we're having regarding the current economics isn't a hi-jack of a thread, it's what the thread is about. So far, we don't know what the repercussions will be for us and out Airstreams...

I absolutely do not believe we've been told the truth as to the extent or severity of the economic current situation we're in - or what else is coming down the pike. Seems each day, if you dig enough and avoid the partisan (choose your flavor) media, you find out something new that's getting federal money to keep total economic collapse and chaos from occuring.

We've lived happily & secure for the most part as a country. Relatively secure (some more than others). This is hard to fathom.

How will it affect us as Airstreamers? Looks like maybe we'll be seeing less of one another coming up.
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My concern is a president, both houses of congress and at least two new supreme court judges all with the same ideology. Quite frankly, I won't miss any meals and everything we own is paid for, including commercial properties. Social security should be means tested along with medicare.

I'd be happy to pay my way at the doctor's office, but I damn well resent the idea that I should pay higher taxes "because it's the fair thing to do".

I have one other thought; if we're in a recession, why is it tough to get full hookup reservations at many popular RV parks?

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Will the current situation change what Lynn and I do? Probably not much. That, of course, depends somewhat on the tax situation in the future. Every dollar they take, is a dollar I won't be spending in my local economy, wherever local happens to be at any given time. We have planned outings with our Airstream every month through December, 2009. Some close, some not so close.

Speaking of taxes,,,,,,,,, When I stopped working for someone else, and went into business for myself, there were some rude awakenings.
I not only paid what I had been paying into Social Security, I got to pay the half my employer had been contributing. That's right, "self employment tax" is the part an employer pays for every employee.
One year we paid more in income tax than the total price we paid for our home. What did I get from the IRS for that? I got a bill for a $240 error on my return.

We are very happy with our medical coverage. Any change would be unwelcome.
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800+ billion dollars..

Write your Congress Critter and tell 'em you would be satisfied with a million each for everyone. Problem solved.
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What we need is a good war to fix the economy....

WHAT??...we already have two.

Never mind..
"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran…"

Three's a charm.

That's the way declining countries solve things along with blaming immigrants, other countries who happen to be long time allies, objectifying people who don't agree with them and engaging in an orgy of entertainment and sports and debt. Government leaders promote fear and slowly erode rights of individuals and either corrupt legislators or limit the power of the legislature, sometimes by taking over the courts.

Denis, I can understand your skepticism about one party controlling all the branches of government. Unfortunately, if one party is so wrong, they block everything, especially in the Senate. That party pretty much controls the courts and is likely to have a majority in the Supreme Court for years because all the old justices are moderate or liberal. One party did control the government for many years from the 1930's forward and that was the most prosperous time for this nation. That was when the middle class grew exponentially and the wealthiest people did not have to live like princes. Gridlock too often means nothing or little gets done and the bailout bill we got last week is a good example—it was the best we could get under the circumstances.

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up here in Canada...

Things are pretty bad for your cousin to the North also. Our gas is 30% more expensive, we just lost 20% on the TSX in the last 10 days and, with the price of oil, we are going to freeze our fannies off this winter as things get pretty cold up here. On the bright side, we love our Airstream and the thought of being mobile in a time of crisis is a good thing. Living "off the grid" in the AS is also tempting and maybe a possibility when our kids are older. Keep thinking creatively and buy only what you need.
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Here's a number that'll scare the crap outta ya. I heard yesterday (on talk radio, so go ahead and yell at me now before you read on) that the unfunded liabilities of the Federal Government between now and the year 2035 is, are you ready for this? 32 Trillion dollars. Included in that number are programs that the Feds have promised to fund one way or another, like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the service on the Narional Debt. This DOES NOT include money to fund the everyday operations of the governement (national parks, Congressional salaries, federal employees payroll, roads & bridges to nowehere etc, etc).

I wonder how we're going to pay for all of that? I don't have that much laying around anywhere.

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800+ billion dollars..

Write your Congress Critter and tell 'em you would be satisfied with a million each for everyone. Problem solved.
Hey I did that! Wrote both of my senators and my congressman. I'll see if I saved the response I got (FROM ONLY ONE OF THEM!). Of course the House.gov website crashed for a week during all of this mess, so it took some doing to get that letter thru to. You have no idea how angry that made me.

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This may be too long and too political, so if the Mods want to delete, I certainly understand. This is the only response I've gotten from any member of congress to the letters I've written over the last couple of weeks (from Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss). Just to give you a little insight into the thinking in Washington over this mess:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the turmoil in our financial markets and the actions taken by the United States Treasury as they pertain to several leading financial institutions. It is good to hear from you.
This is the most serious and critical domestic issue I have dealt with in my 14 years in Congress. We have been betrayed by many people and by abuse of the system. Now we have two significant choices to make - do nothing or take action.
I strongly believe that doing nothing will destroy the financial security of millions of Americans and possibly lead us into a depression. I just as strongly believe the bill as now negotiated will arrest the crisis and begin to turn our economy around.
The bill that I voted for is not a bailout. H.R. 1424, "The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act," is crafted to address the crisis; restore security for the American taxpayer; and return our nation to the strongest economic power in the world. And in the process this bill enables us to root out and punish those who cheated us all.
I know that my vote in favor of this package was not the politically popular thing to do, but this is not a popularity contest. This is about the future of our country and the future that my children and grandchildren will inherit. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind or my heart that my vote in support of this measure was the right thing for our economy, for Georgians, and for our country.
My first reaction was one of anger and frustration. How could this happen in the strongest economy in the world? How could the best financial system in the world fail? After calming down, I realized the seriousness of the situation and the consequences of Congress failing to act.
The Treasury Department submitted a proposal to Congress requesting authority to purchase troubled assets from financial institutions. This program was intended to address the root cause of the market stresses by removing these assets from the financial system.
I did not support the original proposal submitted by the Administration because it did not address the critical needs of the American taxpayer, community banks, retirees, and small businesses and it concentrated too much power in a small group to administer the plan.
As the conversations in Washingtonand across the nation continued over how to address the challenge before us and as the details of the problems in our financial sector were revealed daily, I became convinced that something had to be done and done soon.
Moreover, when the House rejected the plan, the economy suffered a $1.2 trillion dollar blow in the stock market, which only made more apparent the impact this credit crunch is having on Main Street. Specifically, in some cases, Georgiacommunity banks are unable to make auto loans.
Below are details of the legislation:

TAXPAYERS ARE PROTECTED. In its current form, the legislation before the Senate protects taxpayers in many ways. Accountability, safeguards, and oversight measures are numerous. There will be transparency, public reports, and triggers to end the program if, for some reason, it is not effective or end the program early if it is more successful. Moreover, I worked to negotiate a mechanism to stop all transfers of taxpayer funds if necessary. That said , I believe this legislation will be effective.

NOT A BLANK CHECK. I opposed the President's initial request to simply give a blank check to Secretary Paulson. I also opposed the second version submitted by the President and Congressional Democrats that would have given taxpayer money to liberal groups such as ACORN. Let me be clear - this current bill, the bill in the Senate, is not a blank check for anyone. First, it allows the release of $250 billion to purchase these toxic loans. Then, Congress can release another $100 billion but only with Presidential involvement and certification that it is necessary. And only if absolutely necessary and again with Presidential certification and Congressional approval, the remaining $350 billion could be released. However, I do not believe the entire $700 billion authorized will be necessary or used.
NO GOLDEN PARACHUTES. CEOs and other executive officers who drove their companies into the ground will not be able to walk away with millions leaving taxpayers holding the bill. Those companies that choose to participate in the program will be subject to strict compensation limits.
NO NEW GOVERNMENT SPENDING. The language is clear - all revenue generated through the repayment of any assets purchased and any sold must be used to pay down the national debt. No money will go to pork projects, new government spending, or liberal groups such as ACORN.
HELP FOR MAINSTREET . As this crisis continues, community banks are being affected more and more. Car loans and home loans, even to those with good credit, are drying up. People are losing their retirement savings. Small businesses are now having difficulty getting loans to make payroll or grow their business to create new jobs. If we allow this to continue, jobs will be lost, more retirement accounts will be impacted, and credit will get even tighter.
PUNISH CRIMINALS. The Federal Government is actively investigating cases of fraud and abuse. Where wrongdoing is found, the perpetrators, including, if implicated, members of Congress will be brought to justice. We have already seen subpoenas issued for records at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This bill demands cooperation with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and I expect we will see more subpoenas and criminal prosecution.
ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING CAUSE WHILE WE TREAT THE SYMPTOMS. We are seeing the symptoms now - lack of trust in the banking industry, daily tightening of the credit markets, losses in personal retirement accounts - and while this legislation addresses those issues, it also goes further to treat the cancer that got us here. This legislation authorizes the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to modify the 'mark to market' accounting procedures that magnified this crisis by forcing banks to mark down the value of assets they had no intention of selling in the near future. This mark down of value caused a corresponding loss of value to the institutions. The SEC has already begun the process to modify this procedure.
RETURN TRUST IN THE BANKS. By increasing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) protection on bank accounts from the current $100,000 to $250,000, taxpayers and bank customers can once again trust that their money is safe in the bank of their choice.
DEBT REPAYMENT. Toxic loans will be purchased at a discount and 100% of the monies repaid to the government will go to reduce the debt we incur in this process. While we shouldn't expect full repayment, it is possible that all of the money expended will be repaid.
PROTECT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. If we do not act and this crisis spreads like a cancer to every segment of our economy, it will destroy not only taxpayer savings but it will erode our ability to fund our military, supply our troops with the resources they need, and protect our homeland.
NO TIME FOR POLITICAL FINGER POINTING. There is plenty of blame to go around but now is not the time to throw stones, now is the time to address this crisis and get our economy moving again.
FOR THE COUNTRY; NOT POLITICAL POPULARITY. This is not a popularity contest, this is a crisis. And since this crisis began, I have had numerous conversations with economists, community bankers, small business owners, and taxpayers. I have weighed the costs of inaction versus the costs of unpopular action. I support this bill because it is good for the country, it is the right thing to do today for taxpayers and tomorrow for my children and grandchildren, and it is necessary to get our economy moving again.
Strong capital markets are vital to a prosperous U.S. economy and given the renewed focus of our regulators and market participants, I remain confident in our financial markets and our overall economy.
However, history warns us against inaction by hard lessons learned. Delaying to act would be a repeat of the mistakes of the 1920s, when thousands of banks failed before significant confidence was restored to our financial markets.
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"Denis, I can understand your skepticism about one party controlling all the branches of government. Unfortunately, if one party is so wrong, they block everything, especially in the Senate. That party pretty much controls the courts and is likely to have a majority in the Supreme Court for years because all the old justices are moderate or liberal. One party did control the government for many years from the 1930's forward and that was the most prosperous time for this nation. That was when the middle class grew exponentially and the wealthiest people did not have to live like princes. Gridlock too often means nothing or little gets done and the bailout bill we got last week is a good example—it was the best we could get under the circumstances."

Gene.....The middle class became prosperous after WWII with a lot of credit going to the the GI Bill. The Korean conflict created a lot of industrial job growth and the pent-up demand for consumer goods created a new consumer base. Between 1932 and 1996, one political party dominated the Washington scene. If you want to have some fun, check the promises made in 1972 and stack them against promises made today. No difference from either party what so ever! And neither party fulfilled those promises. So, what makes you think that that will happen now?

With a poll rating 10 to 15 points less than the president, congressional gridlock is a good thing! I believe the congressman from your district showed some real guts by voting no twice last week on the bailout!

To keep this thread in perspective, perhaps Thor should ask for a bailout similar to the $25 billion going to Detroit. Then maybe the price of AirStreams will come down!
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