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Old 10-15-2008, 06:49 AM   #183
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Camping time in Snellville Ga has moved all of its RV's off the lot (They are gone). They were associated with camping world. The store for parts and accessories is still open. Another RV dealer told me he heard that the camping time was closing down their operations RV sales and operations. I hope that is not true.

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:50 AM   #184
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Just got back from Zion and Bryce canyon parks,,, Great time... Saw two Bambi's in Zion and a newer 25 footer.... The campground was packed all weekend,,, Even when we left tues. it was nearly full.... Plenty of us out there camping... Saw lots on the roads too.... Towed are friends 28' safari... Bigger and heavier than our '68 28 footer..... only got 9 mpg but was going 70 - 75 mph... and one hell of a head wind.... Got same mpg going down hill into the wind as going up hill with it at my back sometimes..... Wish I had a bigger gas tank on the Sequoia!!!!!!
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:17 AM   #185
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I guess rumors will run wild as long as our economy is in such a sorry state. Last month when I was in Camping World RV Sales I was told that Monaco and Holiday Rambler would no longer be producing Class A motorhomes. Who knows. I spent 5 days at the Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta and you wouldn't think there was anything wrong with the economy with the number of Prevost motorhomes that were there along with several other varieties of Class A's. I was told once that " This in time my son, shall pass". We just have to put up with the best we can.
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:05 PM   #186
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I'm not a political animal & not affiliated w/a particular party - but there is much to be concerned about these days
Yeah, sure... I'm left comparing the past 8 years with the previous 8 and looking at my wallet. Being a concerned citizen myself, mind you.

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How convenient and thoughtful of you. Why don't we all post our perspective links?

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Old 10-15-2008, 06:31 PM   #187
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:43 PM   #188
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Contrary to much popular believe, the present situation did not start with Bush, or Clinton, or Bush Sr.,or Reagen, or Carter, or several others before them. It started in 1916, when Wilson, knowing that the US would find itself in WW1, with no money to pay for the war effort, set-up the federal reserve, and the income tax system, via the 16th admendment.
In this system, the money necessary for the payment of the intrest is not "created", therefore, the national debt can never be payed off.
The govt. has the ability to issue "US notes", that are not insturments of debt. The last Pres. to do this was JFK, he ordered the treasury to print "debt free money", within the first week of LBJ becoming Pres., he ordered the halt of the printing of US notes.
PS. A carefull perusal of the voting records of the states, will reveal that the 16th admendment was never properally ratified, it was just declared to be in effect by tres. secretary Knox
PPS. Several Supreme Court, and lesser Court decisions, have held that "income", for the purposes of taxation is "profit", and that wages are not taxable, because they are not profit, that you cannot tax a person, simply for living.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:53 AM   #189
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A few historical points:

Every major industrial nation has a central bank. If they didn't, there would be an extremely unstable money supply and frequent panics. Before the Federal Reserve we had a primitive banking system and many, many panics, depressions, recessions. Before the Civil War, banks printed money ("bank notes") and no one could be sure what paper money was worth and the further from the bank, the more the money was discounted. Actually the US central bank is not as strong a central bank as in other nations.

The 16th Amendment was adopted properly and there are plenty of court cases affirming the legality of the income tax.

The Panic of 1907 was severe and the intervention of J.P. Morgan helped control it a bit. By the mid teens Morgan was no longer able to intervene in case of a panic, and there was no reason to believe any Wall St. banker would have the capital and clout of a Morgan and be able to moderate a panic. That's one reason the Federal Reserve was created.

There are many court decisions affirming that wages are income. Quite a few people who have refused to pay taxes on their wages have lost their court cases and some are doing, or have done, time in the big house.

I know this disturbs some people, but paper money is printed in every nation. It is really based on faith that the government is strong and the financial system is regulated sufficiently to prevent panics and extreme deflation or inflation. There's a lot of gold in Fort Knox, but probably not enough to back all the currency. If you go to the US treasury and ask for hard currency (gold or silver), they won't give you any. There are other ways money is created—in one way, when you write a check, you are creating money that can be passed along until someone takes it to your bank. One of the measures of the national money supply includes checks and other promises to pay.

Paper money is based on trust and a national consensus that it is worth something. You can walk around with gold dust and try to get merchants to accept it, but in the real world no one will, and paper money is worth more than gold dust when you try to buy a loaf of bread.

The value of gold is also based on a human perception. The demand for jewelry and electrical circuits made of gold (an extremely efficient conductor) does not justify the price of gold. What makes gold expensive is a combination of distrust in paper money and other securities and rarity. The more expensive it gets, the more gets mined and if there's a big find, the price may drop. If there's a period of great distrust (like now) the gold price rises, not based on the intrinsic value of the commodity, but based on distrust. Is this so different from paper money?

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Old 10-16-2008, 11:12 AM   #190
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:28 AM   #191
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Woo-hoo! Fill up the truck!

I paid $3.59 for diesel here in Indy on Tuesday! That's a lot of Olympic Rivets for the Trade Wind rehab!
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:44 AM   #192
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Yeah, yeah, and next your going to claim we really walked on the moon and Elvis is dead..... Ya aint foolin me.
I'm not so sure about anyone on the moon—I think they filmed that stuff at Craters of the Moon National Monument so they could "claim" it was on the "moon". I looked for Elvis in the lava tubs at that NM and saw a trail of rhinestones, but lost the trail.

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Old 10-16-2008, 01:00 PM   #193
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:52 PM   #194
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We haven't used our Limited since the end of May. The main reason is not the economy but our extensive house remodel/redecorating to get the house in shape to sell so we can move back to Nebraska to be nearer our kids.

For several years we've taken a late fall short trip for our wedding anniversary. Our favorite place for this is Hell's Canyon (how's that for a place to reflect back over the years?) We plan to spend much of next week in Hell's Canyon in honor of our fifty-three years together. Idaho Power Company maintains three very nice campgrounds in the area (about 150 miles from Boise). This time of the year the campgrounds are nearly empty. The weather is usually very nice this time of year so it is a good place to go. I figure the fuel and camping fees will cost us about $150.00.

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Old 10-16-2008, 03:21 PM   #195
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For several years we've taken a late fall short trip for our wedding anniversary.
I think that's a great idea. This year we haven't hardly got the trailer out at all, three short trips total! But next month my hubby wants us to sneak off for a few days for our anniversary, just us, the dogs, and the trailer. I hope we make this an annual thing
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Old 10-16-2008, 06:07 PM   #196
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Well last year we full-timed in the Sovereign from May to December. When we moved into our house, we parked Alice in the RV garage and haven't touched her since. In fact, I just pulled her out last weekend, aired up the tires and took her to get a bath, which she desperately needed. I'm happy that the Walbernize held up well, because the dirt came right off with very little effort.

Until we are able to close on our house, I'm afraid that Alice is going to have to hibernate. Maybe next year we'll take a weekend trip over to Fredericksburg, TX and stay at the KOA, or maybe even go to Big Bend NP.
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