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Over59 · 10-16-2008, 06:53 PM

The end of the world has been put on hold

. Of course tomorrow is another day

. Do you get the feeling that they aren't telling us something?

RedSHED · 10-17-2008, 07:09 PM

At the risk of offending by paraphrasing from a source some don't like:
Don't worry about tomorrow's problems; each day has trouble enough for itself.

StingrayL82 · 10-19-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaxon

Or maybe Amarillo - Palo Duro...? Or for a real thriller, Moss Creek Lake (BigSpring)?

Good luck with your house, Stingray - Big Bend-Ft. Davis are really nice places to camp.

Are y'all staying in San Angelo or movin' on?

Haven't decided yet. I like small towns, but I also like being able to drive to a larger town without having to take 3 hours to do it. Brooke and I really have talked about where we're going to live, once I retire from the Army, and we'll either stay here 'till the kids are done with high school (8 more years for the youngest) or we'll go to Idaho, where Brooke is from....Maryland is just too expensive to move back to.

jimmini · 10-19-2008, 10:57 AM

Economic collaps,How will it effect you and me.

Maybe after 4 Nov 2008 this could be comming to a Airstream near you.

"Experience hath shown that even under the best form of Government those entrusted with power have,in time and slow operation,perverted into tyranny"

"Sure you can trust the Government,ASK any Indian"

Boondocker · 10-19-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmini

"Experience hath shown that even under the best form of Government those entrusted with power have,in time and slow operation,perverted into tyranny"

Indeed

Gene · 10-19-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmini

"Experience hath shown that even under the best form of Government those entrusted with power have,in time and slow operation,perverted into tyranny"

I think this is a half truth, maybe quarter truth. Some people in government are corrupted, some not so slowly. But there are honorable people in government. Some people have, in my opinion, bad policies, but they are neither corrupt nor tyrants.

Americans have been berating politicians for hundreds of years. Sometimes more, sometimes, less. One thing that happens when we say everyone in government is or becomes corrupt, is to make good people avoid government. In fact, I think it encourages bad people to go into government.

I think we should be encouraging people of good character (there is some disagreement over what that means) and high intelligence to go into government.

Gene

jimmini · 10-19-2008, 01:29 PM

"Cream rises to the top...except in politcs"

Aage · 10-19-2008, 08:59 PM

This is a real cheery thread, when you think of it.

Well, you guys take over, I'm off to hide my head in the sand...

Jim Foster · 10-19-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CrawfordGene

I think this is a half truth, maybe quarter truth. Some people in government are corrupted, some not so slowly. But there are honorable people in government. Some people have, in my opinion, bad policies, but they are neither corrupt nor tyrants.

Americans have been berating politicians for hundreds of years. Sometimes more, sometimes, less. One thing that happens when we say everyone in government is or becomes corrupt, is to make good people avoid government. In fact, I think it encourages bad people to go into government.

I think we should be encouraging people of good character (there is some disagreement over what that means) and high intelligence to go into government.

Gene

Gene, you said a mouthful. I think you are right on the button. Why should anyone want to be subjected to what the media and others subject our politicians to, when really good people can get a better job, probably for more money, and not be subjected to all of that? Power is one answer, perhaps greed is another. Oh sure, some may want to "make things right", but how long does that last? Perhaps too soon, what they started out to do, gets overshadowed by ambition and self promotion.

When this government was started, the idea was to "take the farmer out of the field" to serve for a time, then return to the farm. Not to make a lifetime job for attorneys.

Denis4x4 · 10-20-2008, 05:16 AM

Crawford Gene said,
"I think we should be encouraging people of good character (there is some disagreement over what that means) and high intelligence to go into government".

Blame Woodward and Bernstein for a dearth of good candidates from either party. "Gotcha journalism" (see NYT story on a potential first lady yesterday) has made politics a blood sport.

Unless and until we get news reports that are unfiltered by right or left bias, we will never attract decent candidates. Just ask Mitt Romney.

Sky · 10-20-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Denis4x4

Blame Woodward and Bernstein for a dearth of good candidates from either party. "Gotcha journalism"

Interesting concept. Blame corruption on policing of corruption. Humm, I'll ponder that one.

Jaxon · 10-20-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sky

Interesting concept. Blame corruption on policing. Humm, I'll ponder that one.

Yeah, from the Karl Rove school of politics. I tend to agree somewhat that journalism has moved from reporting the news to trying to make it (tabloid headlines does seem to sell newspapers). However, politicians seem to screw up so often, the story just falls in the reporters lap!

ROBERT CROSS · 10-20-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Denis4x4

Blame Woodward and Bernstein for a dearth of good candidates from either party. "Gotcha journalism" (see NYT story on a potential first lady yesterday) has made politics a blood sport.

"Gotcha Journalism"....been around awhile.

Yellow Journalism

Free is for me, I wouldn't have it any other way. Read as much as you can and make up your OWN mind. FWIW

Cracker · 10-20-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSHED

At the risk of offending by paraphrasing from a source some don't like:
Don't worry about tomorrow's problems; each day has trouble enough for itself.

Take the risk and "offend" away! One of our biggest social problems today is that we're afraid of "offending" someone. Stand your ground and don't kiss anyone's --s. Be proud of your convictions!

Jim Foster · 10-22-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

800+ billion dollars..

Write your Congress Critter and tell 'em you would be satisfied with a million each for everyone.

Problem solved.

Very interesting to ponder.......even if you did suggest in fun.

What would you be able to do with your Million? I went through this very conversation with my dad when I was about twelve. I told him I would go to the hobby shop and buy the model airplane I was saving up my allowance to buy.
He said that the hobby shop would be closed..... I told him that the hobby shop is open every day. He said, "Not any more, the owner and his wife each got a million dollars. He doesn't need to work anymore."

Everyone getting a million dollars seems like a great idea, if you want to cut your own lawn, haul your own trash to the dump, grow your own food, pump (by hand) your own water from your own well, the list goes on.

Oh,,,,,, did I say haul your own trash to the dump? Be sure you don't run out of gas, the guy at the corner gas station isn't going to be there either. He and his lovely wife just had the good fortune of getting a million dollars each and are spending their time trying to find a way to get to the Bahamas without swimming.

DFord79 · 10-22-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Foster

Very interesting to ponder.......even if you did suggest in fun.

What would you be able to do with your Million? I went through this very conversation with my dad when I was about twelve. I told him I would go to the hobby shop and buy the model airplane I was saving up my allowance to buy.
He said that the hobby shop would be closed..... I told him that the hobby shop is open every day. He said, "Not any more, the owner and his wife each got a million dollars. He doesn't need to work anymore."

Everyone getting a million dollars seems like a great idea, if you want to cut your own lawn, haul your own trash to the dump, grow your own food, pump (by hand) your own water from your own well, the list goes on.

Oh,,,,,, did I say haul your own trash to the dump? Be sure you don't run out of gas, the guy at the corner gas station isn't going to be there either. He and his lovely wife just had the good fortune of getting a million dollars each and are spending their time trying to find a way to get to the Bahamas without swimming.

I have one word that blows this theory out of the water. GREED!!!!!!

One half of the people would be trying to sell something to the other half to get thier money. I think its called Capitolism.

Jim Foster · 10-23-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DFord79

I have one word that blows this theory out of the water. GREED!!!!!!

One half of the people would be trying to sell something to the other half to get thier money. I think its called Capitolism.

Exactly........If the ladder is horizontal, putting everyone in the same place, no one goes anywhere. The ladder must be vertical.

Met a nice Russian young man in line at the Vatican Museum in 1988. We talked about life where he lived. One thing he said, "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." I found that an interesting comment.

norsea · 10-23-2008, 06:05 AM

A post that is a little more on topic and that has impact on all of us Airstreamers.

We are at Jackson Center getting some new cabinets we ordered installed in the silver twinkie.

When the factory tour began yesterday we were told that Airstream is shutting down its PRODUCTION facilities for the next five weeks.

It seems that the dealers are not ordering anything at the minute. There is a fair amount of inventory on the lot here that has not been shipped.

Two of the guys who work in the service department who have been here 45+ years are also retiring coincident with this closure; Larry and Wayne.

The service department will continue to operate during this period as long as there is work to be done.

So, it looks to me like the spiraling economy continues the rush down toward that big hole in the bottom of the bowl.

Fasten your seat belts folks, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Jim, who is patiently waiting for his $1,000,000.

Wayne&Sam · 10-23-2008, 06:22 AM

Hi Jim- We met when you were at JC getting measured for the new cabinets.

It's sad to hear about the shut down, although hardly surprising. It is going to be a long rocky road

purman · 10-23-2008, 08:56 AM

I don't know why these companies, and others are surprised... I could see it coming a mile away... It always does... Things go up, Then come down. It's the way it works...

Lets build houses for everyone and give anyone a loan... DUH.... What do you think will happen...

Your bills should never be more than 5/8th of your income.... I new a Doctor and his wife who were living paycheck to paycheck... Come on your a Doc.... But the more money they got the more stuff they bought....

IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY>>>>>>>>>

Sure less people are buying AS the market got flooded the past 8 years or so.... When a trailer last 40+ years you don't need a new one every 10.... Plus the quality went down hill as the need for profits went up..

Personal I don't think the new one's will last 40+ years, My friends 2004 is falling apart on the inside... Hinges, table legs all breaking.

People still have as much money as they did, the media is just scaring everyone into not spending it...