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Old 10-21-2008, 02:57 PM   #15
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After checking out a honda civic hybrid at my local dealer last month, the dealer wouldn't budge at selling me the car at $4000 OVER MSRP. I am also on the "reservation list" for a Smart for Two (which gets about the same MPG but seats only 2 people), which I also suspect will be fetching above MSRP.

So, I looked with new eyes at the 1982 Mercedes Benz 300D turbo diesel sitting in my driveway. Granted she has 324000 miles on her and the paint isn't glossy, but she gets about 34 MPG with my in-town driving, and is fully paid-for. I took her to the local independent MB specialist who did about $2K of work on her, and figures she'll run for another 200000 miles with no problem. I may even get her painted.
This is almost always the answer. Repair and keep tuned your old car. the cost of replacement only gets made up if you drive the car for over 100,000 miles (many many variables but when I did the math for me and my drive 50 miles a day to work and back). In addition you may even be greener. Little thrown away except for the replaced parts. $2000 well spent in my opinion.
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Old 10-21-2008, 03:53 PM   #16
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We are in the market for a retirement automobile and have checked out the hybrids and the big drawback - here in Canada, at least - is the cost to replace the batteries. The dealer in Edmonton told us that the 'expected' lifespan was only 4 years and the replacement cost was $4000!!

We absolutely love our '97 Infinity and will buy a Honda or Acura as a last new car, but it definitely will not be a hybrid. The diesel, on the other hand will be a definite maybe - depending on the additional cost for the engine and the availability here.

Just my two cents worth. Thanks
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:03 PM   #17
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I'd forget all about PC and just use CS, (common sense). Check out Volkswagon's line of diesel cars. All the way from the bug to the SUV's. Great economy and no batteries to replace. Well, the regular one of course.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:00 PM   #18
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VW has been making diesel cars in the US for years. My 2002 TDI New Bettle gets 50mpg. The new TDI with common rail injection gets close to 60 mpg. Mine has 100,010 miles on it and still runs great.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:41 PM   #19
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The Only problem with VW is there customer satisfaction rate sucks..... Not sure why? in Europe it's pretty good...but most people I know who have had one (the newer ones) have had lots of problems..

Look, I like the hybrids but they are not very environmentally friendly... (batteries) The Greenist car you can buy is the Mini... Plus where I live the hybrid uses all the gas engine going up the hill anyway... so the mileage sucks....

Watch a show on BBC America called TOPGEAR.

They took a toyota prius and a BMW M5.. The prius drove around there test track as fast as it could go with the BMW following... Who got the best MPG ...... The BMW....Because the Prius is made to drive in the city not the highway or go FAST....
I average 19-20 mpg with my Sequoia just driving around here on the highways Descending and climbing 2000 ft form my house to delta..

Those little Smart cars are cute, My aunt has one... But I don't care how safe they say they are, you get hit by a 3/4 ton Dodge and it's all over... Good for the city...

I thought if I ever got a motor home I would tow one on a trailer...(a very small trailer)
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:14 PM   #20
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Like I said above, there isn't a single answer to this. But there are a lot of myths that keep getting kicked around about hybrids.

Hybrids haven't been needing widespread battery replacements after 4 years; the oldest Prius in the US is almost 10 years old, and battery replacements are rare. Toyota has also announced a big reduction in replacement battery cost. Finally, given the success rate in replacing "normal" car batteries, there isn't a reason to suspect that hybrid batteries would be any different. After all, there is a lot of material value left in those batteries.

Hybrids aren't the answer to every situation - and no, they're not made to be flogged around a track when racing a BMW M5. (Top Gear goes to ludricious extremes to flaunt their anti-PC-ness.) Diesels excel on the highway; even the best hybrid can only manage about 35 mph on the flat on the battery alone. After those speeds, the battery will assist the engine - and get recharged when coasting down hill. But driven in a combination of urban and highway driving, like most people do - they do improve fuel economy.

One nice thing - when you drive a hybrid like a Highlander or a Lexus GS, the near-instant torque is just like a diesel....
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:20 PM   #21
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[QUOTE=. (Top Gear goes to ludricious extremes to flaunt their anti-PC-ness.) [/QUOTE]


WHAT!!!!!! TOPGEAR is the same as Gods Holy Word, "Blasphemer"

Didn't you see the show where they did MPG on Super cars... An Audi Got a whole 4.5 mpg and Lambo got 1.5 mpg Now thats some good MPG I figure after that 1.5 mpg you have to be going 150+ mph so you slap in in nurtal and cost a few miles to up the millage...

It is a fun show to watch though....
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:26 PM   #22
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WHAT!!!!!! TOPGEAR is the same as Gods Holy Word, "Blasphemer"
LOL! Yeah, it's really quite entertaining. My British father-in-law (who puts more miles on his fleet of 7 bikes than his Audi A4 TDI) gets bent out of shape by Clarkson's puffery, but the show is fun to watch. Video-wise, it's shot really well - they must have a pretty impressive budget. I enjoy seeing them trash old beat-up clunkers.

It's tough to imagine a prime-time car show here...well, we'll see how the US version of Top Gear works out.

Back to the original topic - Prius replacement batteries are now around $2500, depending on the generation. Not cheap, but not $4000 (even Canadian.) They also have an 80k-100k warranty, depending on the laws of your state (longer coverage in states with Calif. emissions.)
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:34 PM   #23
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I am also on the "reservation list" for a Smart for Two (which gets about the same MPG but seats only 2 people), which I also suspect will be fetching above MSRP.
longdog, if you want to speed up the Smart process, ask the dealer to put your name on the "orphan" list. If someone reserves a car and then declines it, the dealer sells it to someone on the list. It can speed up the process immensely. Smart dealers are also strongly encouraged to stick to MSRP - but they get around it by adding accessories with a big dealer profit, like Lojack, to the orphans.

Having driven a Smart about 1000 miles, I'd buy a Mini Cooper with a stick instead - or convert that old Benz to run on veggie oil and grease....
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Trust me when I say work will have ZERO issue with me charging a car. I use the car for work, so they pay mileage and will pay for charging too should I go the Volt route.
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Well if we're going by Top Gear (which my wife son and I love to watch every Monday night) Diesels are uncool and therefore should not be considered.

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Problem With TOPGEAR is it's a year behind over here.. I down load it and watch without commercials.. It's really an 1hr show without commercials so the US cut 15 min. out of each show...

They did make that Diesel race car and raced for 24 hrs.... Sorry off topic...
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Problem With TOPGEAR is it's a year behind over here.. I down load it and watch without commercials.. It's really an 1hr show without commercials so the US cut 15 min. out of each show...

They did make that Diesel race car and raced for 24 hrs.... Sorry off topic...
He did take the diesel Jag around the Nurburgring in 10 minutes flat.
Which, of course, led to the very impressive Sabine Schmitz hauling around in a Transit van in 10:10. That was impressive!

They also had some Audi's and Beemers at the ride & drive, so it isn't entirely off topic
I didn't drive those as there was a line, and they aren't my thing.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:56 PM   #28
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When I wear out my current work car (Crown Victoria) in about 300,000 more miles. I'll probably switch to a diesel.

My employer pays for %100 percent of all myfuel so it's not a cost issue. I just love a durable car and by then they won't be making Crown Vics anymore.
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