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Old 05-19-2009, 07:08 PM   #15
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when I read the first post my first thoughts were ALLIGATORS? in the YUKON.......

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at any rate on the topic of hydroplaning.
I am very unhappy with ST tires made in China. Just had 3 of six fail (Hi-Run), belt separation but no blow outs.
I considered putting Michelin LT tires on the trailer but someone told me the tread was harder and would cause the trailer to hydroplane?
I also have a 2wd GMC 2500 HD 2wd, and am considering 4wd as I have seen two trucks in heavy rain with travel trailers in the ditch.
Would having 4wd engaged in such downpours be of any use?
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:08 PM   #16
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when I read the first post my first thoughts were ALLIGATORS? in the YUKON.......

oops.
at any rate on the topic of hydroplaning.
I am very unhappy with ST tires made in China. Just had 3 of six fail (Hi-Run), belt separation but no blow outs.
I considered putting Michelin LT tires on the trailer but someone told me the tread was harder and would cause the trailer to hydroplane?
I also have a 2wd GMC 2500 HD 2wd, and am considering 4wd as I have seen two trucks in heavy rain with travel trailers in the ditch.
Would having 4wd engaged in such downpours be of any use?
Thanks
Dan
All Wheel Drive might be of benefit in reducing the chances of hydroplaning, but I am not sold on the idea that four-wheel-drive is of great benefit. I am something of a loner on this issue, but my last three tow vehicles have had four-wheel-drive and my next WILL NOT. My '84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer had quite satisfactory four-wheel drive that was of use when needed. My '95 Chevy K1500 -- Z71, and my '99 GMC K2500 Suburban have had four-wheel drive that is virtually useless. I have had much better luck reducing issues with hydroplaning through selection of a quality alignment shop and tires that shed water well and are stable with the particular vehicle upon which they are installed. I also run pos-track or limited slip differentials on all of my vehicles with rear wheel drive.

When I had to purchase new tires for my Overlander last month, I searched all over my area and found that most dealers had only no-name brand ST trailer tires except one, and that was the shop that sells Carlisle tires -- Carlisle still sells an ST tire with their name on the side -- Carlisle Radial Trail -- I must admit that I didn't check to see where the tires were made, but felt a little better that they at least had a recognizable brand name. Thus far, I am satisfied with the tires, but I have less than 500 miles on the set at this time.

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Old 05-19-2009, 08:31 PM   #17
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If you like I can likely help you find a tire that is far less prone to hydroplaning. What year is your Yukon? What size tires does it currently have? Is it a Yukon XL?

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Old 05-19-2009, 09:01 PM   #18
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I am glad everything is OK! first off

I have first hand witnessed hydro plaining. ( the guy in front of me )

While towing. He pulled over, I dropped 1 link on his torsion bars, and off we went. Never had another problem. That being said, unless your tires are pretty well worn, I would keepum. For me, the old money tree in the back yard isnt bearing the cash it used to. Maybe your more fortunate.

I do agree with never press the brakes. Bendix did a slide test that I had the opportunity to be part of, (tractor trailer) They actually reccomend light acceloration, It plants the drives, and in short, enforces the main force ( forward motion) I can say trying to do that while your addrennalin in relesing is another story. You did good Laura.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:40 AM   #19
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If you like I can likely help you find a tire that is far less prone to hydroplaning. What year is your Yukon? What size tires does it currently have? Is it a Yukon XL?

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Man Andrew - I'd take all the help I can get. I always say, "more information is always a good thing - even if you don't like what you hear".
I have a 2000 Yukon XL. I don't have the truck with me today - it's still raining so I opted to take my other truck. I think the OEM size is 235/75R15's. I'll confirm that when I get home this evening.

The Yukon is my daily vehicle (the other truck is For Sale). I only camp about 1x a month - and mostly within a couple hundred miles at best. However, I am selling my Xterra because I believed it wasn't a safe tow vehicle. So, I want to ensure my Yukon is safe --- or, that I BELIEVE it is safe. I am scared of hydroplaning and don't want to be white-knuckled every time it rains.

Thanks for any suggestions you have. I've been looking into the Bridgestone A/T Revo's but can't find the LT's....

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Old 05-20-2009, 11:59 AM   #20
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when I read the first post my first thoughts were ALLIGATORS? in the YUKON.......
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Now that would be scary!

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That being said, unless your tires are pretty well worn, I would keepum. For me, the old money tree in the back yard isnt bearing the cash it used to. Maybe your more fortunate.

I do agree with never press the brakes. Bendix did a slide test that I had the opportunity to be part of, (tractor trailer) They actually reccomend light acceloration, It plants the drives, and in short, enforces the main force ( forward motion) I can say trying to do that while your addrennalin in relesing is another story. You did good Laura.
Well, Iím not more fortunate - unfortunately. But, I canít stand to be scared to drive. And I am. A few years ago I had an Armada that hydroplaned at the drop of a hat. Thankfully, I never experienced a long, drawn out hydroplane like I did in the Yukon but, I never felt safe. And, I already bought this honkiní beast to alleviate my concerns about towing safely. Now I feel compelled to fix the tire situation.

There is a small alignment shop a few miles away which has an excellent reputation. I called to see if they could get me the Bridgestone Revoís and they couldnít (in an LT or class E) for my wheel size. They asked what problems I was having and my concerns (hydroplaning & sway when towing) Ė then said I should stop in and let talk more with the owner to see if he could set something up. Hummmmmm Tire shopping seems awfully confusing now. How do I keep from losing my mind???
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:00 PM   #21
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Laura,
I used to have a Chevy 1500 Z71 with an extended cab and 6 foot bed that was always a little light in the rear end. When I ran out my factory tires I replaced them with Bridgestone Duelers and they were wonderful. As soon as I run out the tread on my current truck I think I am going to put a set of Duelers on.

Just some more options for you.

Be sure to let us know what you get.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:51 PM   #22
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I spent about 1-1/2 hours at the *tire shop* (actually, family owned allignment shop) on Friday afternoon. This place is warmly regarded in the community and I spoke with the owner (and a couple other employees who tow travel trailers and large motor boats). Two of them drove my truck. And, after explaining my towing situation/habits and non-towing concerns (hydroplaning), they suggested that I might be a little disapointed in the E-rated Revo's for daily driving. Their suggested alternate tires were Cooper Discoverer H/T, heavy D-rated and a Michellin E rated. The Michellins are about twice the price. I think I'm going with the Coopers. I'll let you all know how it works out once I've towed a bit!
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Laura,
Thanks for the update and please do keep us posted. I noticed the sneakers on my TV are starting to dry rot and will need to replace them before the season is over. They only have a little over 30K miles on them and there is still plenty of tread, but the truck only gets driven to hunting / fishing camp and pulling the Airstream. I guess I should buy a set of tire protectors for the truck like I put on the Airstream.
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Old 06-16-2009, 06:48 AM   #24
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Laura-
I wouldn't get too carried away with brand of vehicle, brand of tires, where they might have been made, or exotic tread pattern. The real problem with SUV's is that the salesmen will tell you that the vehicle will go anywhere. Not true!

The whole concept is a function of speed and water depth and tread width. Any vehicle/tire will hydroplane depending on the speed and depth of water.

If you get really confident w/ your "new" tires while driving in the rain at 60 mph, for instance, and you drive through a portion of the roadway that has deeper water than other places, you might have a problem where you didn't 100' ago. I won't suggest a speed as there are too many variables but slowing down in the wet is a very good idea. Trailers, and their tongue weight, push the rear down and lighten the load on the front. That helps toward the onset of hydroplaning. Hydroplaning begins at the front of the vehicle and not at the back. One of the WD hitch people will explain if that happens on their setups.

Telling on myself a little here: A couple of months ago, I was near home on US 50. No trailer on my 2WD Dodge truck. All major roads have a crown, meaning the road surface is higher between the two lanes rather than at the edges to allow water to run off. It is crowned more than you think-maybe 4-6". It was snowing a really wet slushy snow which had accumulated to a depth of about 1". This stuff didn't look like snow but like a tan icy from 7-11. See where this is going? Really cold water an inch deep and I had the same problem you described. Off the road I went. After a short ride through the grass (w/out fence posts, cows, ditches, culverts, etc.) I was able to steer back onto the roadway. My wife was less than impressed.

Keep in mind that one can hydroplane on a hill, too. When it is raining very hard, the runoff can be deep enough to cause problems on hills. The key is to slow down--you can't be in that much of a hurry to wad your vehicle up.
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Old 06-23-2009, 04:20 PM   #25
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So, I decided to go with the Bridgestone Dueller A/T Revo's on my Yukon. I re-thought and re-thought the decision until I was almost crazy. I read um-teen-dozens of reviews on these tires, received some pm's, and decided that I could not discount them: both for towing and hydroplaning benefits. After I made an appointment to have them installed, I finally slept!

After they'd been working on my truck for about an hour, I got a call to come to the service desk. The tire specialist just wanted to reinforce that this E-rated tire was going to be very uncomfortable, that I should maybe reconsider. I told him that I had already heard the concerns but, for now, the positives outshined the negatives.

I didn't immediately notice much difference in the ride. I'm used to driving trucks that seemed to be much *tighter* than the Yukon anyway, so any stiffness was actually good in my eyes. When I got home (few miles), I checked the pressure. They were at 40 psi. The next day I hitched Ophelia for a ride south and swung back into the shop to increase the pressure to 65 psi. On my short trip, I did notice the potholes/roughness in the areas of heavy construction/roadway work. When I traveled back over those areas (without the trailer), it was even a bit more noticeable. Still Ė nothing uncomfortable. I did run on the interstate for awhile and yes, I did feel the road more. As of today, I am happy with the Revoís and will, more than likely, continue to run them at this pressure. Iím still planning to get to the scales and see where Iím at Ė then Iíll reassess pressure (and hopefully get my WD hitch dialed in).

Thanks to all of you who spent the time advising and educating me. As Iíve mentioned before, Iím getting a little overwhelmed by the science that seems to be lurking by each of my decisions. Before you know it, Iíll be asking about bathroom etiquette. Not.

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Good choice. We just put new tires on the Sequoia, It came with a passenger rated tire, and I didn't want to drive through 7 states with them being nearly worn. We Debated with this tire too. but I went with the Yokohama Geolander. In a "D" rating. "E" would have just been to harsh for that nice soft ride.. I notice the ruts and bumps a lot more with this tire, but sure feel a lot safer towing...
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