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Old 11-29-2015, 02:15 AM   #71
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J. Morgan, I don't know what you would accept as "proof" of the CO2 contribution to global change. You will find the basic science in articles like these:
In a recent thread, J. Morgan wrote that he has never seen evidence that CO2 can impact climate, and if such evidence existed he would review it.

I posted links and information, and followed up with a request for his thoughts. No response.

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Because your links are all connected to the flawed studies by the same interconnected groups that have a political agenda. Almost all the studies are done by the UN or other political agency's. The scientists must come up with the prearranged conclusions or have there funding cut off. This is a fact. Follow the politics from the universities on up to the federally govt and the UN. Lockstep. Studies done by nongovernmental connected organizations are generally ignored out of hand. Why? Someone doesntvwant the pot stirred or the truth to come out. Yes, oil companies have a vested interest in climate change studies, financially. But govt funded studies have a politically vested interest, world domination through legislation based on false assumptions. And the polis are winning!!
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Its pretty simple really and Ray is 100% correct. Climate is in simple terms long range weather, predicted by climatologists who are weather people with slightly more schooling or no more at all above the BS in Meteorology, which I have among other GI paid for degrees.

So, weather people cannot accurately predict the weather five days out, how then is it possible to predict the weather 100 years out. It is not. Then to spend globally Trillions of dollars each year to prevent what even the most ardent supporters of man-made climate change agree is a 1 degree increase in world temperature is absurd. Then take the climate forecasts as reported on Good Morning America in June of 2008 of what would happen by June of 2015 - reported by Climatologists: NYC would be under water; a gallon of milk will cost $12.99, due to climate change; a gallon of gasoline will cost $9.00, due to climate change. Then go back to 1973 when the same group predicted that the world was entering a new Ice Age and would be in frozen by 2000.

Nothing has happened, a global climate change of 1 degree is insignificant and will not flood coastal areas not change the price of anything. One side of the political spectrum states that Climate Change is the biggest world threat. Interesting statement, but again all a financial power play and one that takes the world focus off the real threats out there. Keep in mind that the disappearing Ant Aritic Ice Cap is growing substantially over the past two years - "warming"?

Interesting post Ray, thanks; keep being the "Sheep Dog" on these types of issues.

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The guy that invented the Segway, Dean Kamen ( an no he was not killed riding one off a cliff), and prior to that invented life saving medical related items- has a machine that will extract distilled pure water from any liquid, no matter how polluted or salty. This little machine would be life changing for the millions of people world wide who have little or no access to clear drinkable water. Why aren't governments interested in investing in this? Not wasting money on global warming bulls**t.


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Flat earth proponents were very adamant in their day, as were many church leaders when faced with the inconvenient details coming from those newfangled scientist of those early days of the Age of Enlightenment .

I'm 66 yo now, and the more I learn the more questions I see. Our knowledge is increasing at an ever accelerating rate yet can only be given due consideration by an open mind willing to grow.

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I would be less hostile to the notion of man made climate change if I didn't see so many people poised to make a bundle of dough off of it if new laws are enacted.
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The guy that invented the Segway, Dean Kamen ( an no he was not killed riding one off a cliff), and prior to that invented life saving medical related items- has a machine that will extract distilled pure water from any liquid, no matter how polluted or salty. This little machine would be life changing for the millions of people world wide who have little or no access to clear drinkable water. Why aren't governments interested in investing in this? Not wasting money on global warming bulls**t.


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The body of science that supports the conclusion that humans cause most of the warming that we are seeing is not just based on models. Models help to understand the issues, but they are not the evidence. This is easily seen by studying it yourself, as you suggest. Use real science sites, like Skeptical Science, not contrarian sites run by shysters.







Strongly disagree. But for many it will be more concerning thinking about our children's lifetimes, for those that have families.







It has been made. You just have to look with an open mind to see. The science has been published. Some seem to think this is a matter of opinion, theirs vs others. It isn't opinion. It is science. There is a cost to ignoring it.







Me too. The level of disinformation is very high. Agree with the rest of your post too, thanks for posting.



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Too many folks jump to conclusions.

I have scoured the sources available to me over the entire WWW and asked here, and numerous other sites for someone, for ANYONE,,, to post a practical and repeatable experiment that proves CO2 in concentrations relative to atmospheric content is capable of inciting any heating whatsoever.... No one ever has.

I have scoured all kinds of resources INCLUDING pro-AGW sites in search of this data to no avail.

This is why the theory rests entirely on models and not hard science. If the theory rested on real science, the theory would be built on the proof of the ability of trace CO2 to incite and retain warming. It isn't. It is built on climate models.

In short, the concentrations of CO2 that we are talking about, .0004 to .001, are far to thin to be a driver of climatic change.


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Beyond this, there is ample evidence that the data has been manipulated to make it appear that much or the warming claimed did not happen, and that we have been cooling over the past twenty years.


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I propose steps 1 and 2 to begin the reversal of climate change.

1: Ban all private jets and other type of private aircraft used by politicians.

2: Ban all limousines and other private conveyances used by politicians.

Let them all use public transportation to attend these conferences.
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I scanned many of the flood articles posted, if one of them has a practical and repeatable demonstration proving that CO2 in trace amounts is capable of influencing heat converted and retained please post it here.

My quick scan of the articles did not reveal any such data, but only projections of belief of what it is "gonna do".


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I propose steps 1 and 2 to begin the reversal of climate change.

1: Ban all private jets and other type of private aircraft used by politicians.

2: Ban all limousines and other private conveyances used by politicians.

Let them all use public transportation to attend these conferences.

Well, that would not be fair at all and would diminish the stature of those chosen to lord over all of us regular people!


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Well, that would not be fair at all and would diminish the stature of those chosen to lord over all of us regular people!

These leaders are very important people, the best of the best no doubt, who have earned their special privilege!

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