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Old 01-20-2005, 11:41 PM   #43
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I am waiting for the President's daughters to sign up and go to Iraq. If it is so important, I would probably be convinced with their volunteering.

I have a question? If one of our guided weapons is off target and kills a child who doesn't know Christ, what happens to his soul.
Reason being is that it's a volunteer military. I can see neither Kerry’s nor Bush's daughters doing anything that might break a nail anyway.

I think that anytime there is conflict, regardless of what creed a person follows, is a terrible thing when a child or other innocents are killed, but the facts are the facts, this happens in conflict as conflict is not totally antiseptic. Iraq is no different than Bosnia, Somalia, etc in respect to innocent losses. It was just as tragic then as it is now....and their souls go to the same place all of ours will eventually travel to.....IMHO.
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I am waiting for the President's daughters to sign up and go to Iraq. If it is so important, I would probably be convinced with their volunteering.

I have a question? If one of our guided weapons is off target and kills a child who doesn't know Christ, what happens to his soul.
Some people would suggest "an age of accountability" maybe 3 or 4 years of age....others would say "hell"

The Bible offers no hope for those who die in the natural sinful state. The Bible does not say "that children who die go to Heaven", it says those who have accepted Christ as the only saviour of their soul goes to Heaven.

It is a heavy topic that will be answered some day....when you get to Heaven, ask God...."what happens to the young children who died before having the understanding of right and wrong...." See what He says....then if any one else asks you in Hell you will be able to give them the answer.....
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I believe in the concept of perfect justice. It could be that we don't have to worry about the soul of the child or adult killed by the missle but, about the soul of the person, persons, society that fired it.

I have a hard time believing that God is on our side as we build this tremendous military and then use it to destroy 100,000 people who had the misfortune to be born into a corrupt system. We may be just a big nation picking on a small nation.

The scary part is that I think Bush believes he is fulfilling devine destiny.
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Letter to the President...

OK, OK, I may get the thread shut down for this... but someone sent this to me recently and given the direction the thread has taken I MUST share it with you!

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LETTER TO PRESIDENT BUSH

Dear President Bush:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have

learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and

support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said

"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share

that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend

the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus

18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate. I do need

some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws

and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and

female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of

mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you

clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell Rachel (my daughter) into slavery, as

sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a

fair price for her?

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it

creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my

neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus

35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to

kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an

abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I

don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

6. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I

have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear glasses since my

cataract surgery. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some

wiggle-room here?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the

hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.

19:27. How should they die?

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig

makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two

different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made

of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to

curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the

trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do

with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have

studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in

such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

/s/ Lew Snow

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Oh, and uh... one more thing... we all need to thank our founding fathers for recognizing the need for political dissent, for enacting the First Amendment and enforcing it, and last, FOR AL GORE'S INTERNET to spread the Word! !!!!

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While on the religion tip:

In the beginning there was the computer. And God said
c:\>Let there be light!

Enter user id.

c:\>God

Enter password.

c:\>Omniscient

Password incorrect. Try again.

c:\>Omnipotent

Password incorrect. Try again.

c:\>Technocrat

And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.
c:\>Let there be light!

Unrecognizable command. Try again.
c:\>Create light

Done

c:\>Run heaven and earth

And God created Day and Night. And God saw there were 0 errors.
And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.
And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Monday, March 2.

c:\>Let there be firmament in the midst of water and light

Unrecognizable command. Try again.

c:\>Create firmament

Done.

c:\>Run firmament

And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Monday, March 2.
And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3.

c:\>Let the waters under heaven be gathered together unto one
place and let the dry land appear and

Too many characters in specification string. Try again.

c:\>Create dry_land

Done.

c:\>Run firmament

And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3.
And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4

c:\>Create lights in the firmament to divide the day from the
night.

Unspecified type. Try again.

c:\>Create sun_moon_stars

Done

c:\>Run sun_moon_stars

And God separated the light from the darkness. The sun ruled over the
day and the moon and stars ruled over the night.

And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4.
And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Thursday, March 5.

c:\>Create fish

Done

c:\>Create fowl

Done

c:\>Run fish, fowl

And God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that
creepeth wherewith the waters swarmed after its kind and every winged
fowl after its kind.

And God saw there were 0 errors.

And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Thursday, March 5.
And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Friday, March 6.

c:\>Create cattle

Done

c:\>Create creepy_things

Done

c:\>Now let us make man in our image
Unspecified type. Try again.

c:\>Create man

Done

c:\>Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it
and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl
of the air and over every living thing that creepeth upon the
earth

Too many command operands. Try again.

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 6 errors..

c:\>Insert breath

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 5 errors.

c:\>Move man to Garden of Eden

File Garden of Eden does not exist.
c:\>Create Garden.edn

Done

c:\>Move man to Garden.edn

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 4 errors.

c:\>Copy woman from man

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 2 errors.

c:\>Create desire

Done

c:\>Run multiplication

And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in
Garden.edn

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.
c:\>Create freewill

Done

c:\>Run freewill

And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in
Garden.edn

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.
c:\>Undo desire

Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created.
c:\>Destroy freewill

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.
Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.
c:\>Help

Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created.
Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.
Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.
c:\>Create tree_of_knowledge

And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in
Garden.edn

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.
c:\>Create good, evil

Done

c:\>Activate evil

And God saw he had created shame.

Warning system error in sector E95. Man and woman not in
Garden.edn. 1 errors.

c:\>Scan Garden.edn for man, woman
Search failed.

c:\>Delete shame

Shame cannot be deleted once evil has been activated.
c:\>Destroy freewill

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.
Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.
c:\>Stop

Unrecognizable command. Try again
c:\>Break

c:\>Break

c:\>Break

ATTENTION ALL USERS *** ATTENTION ALL USERS: COMPUTER
GOING DOWN FOR REGULAR DAY OF MAINTENANCE AND REST IN FIVE
MINUTES.

PLEASE LOG OFF.

c:\>Create new world

You have exceeded your allocated file space. You must destroy old
files before new ones can be created.

c:\>Destroy earth

Destroy earth: Please confirm.

c:\>Destroy earth confirmed

COMPUTER DOWN *** COMPUTER DOWN. SERVICES WILL RESUME SUNDAY, MARCH 8 AT 6:00 AM. YOU MUST SIGN OFF NOW.

And God logged off at 11:59:59 PM, Friday, March 6.
On March 8, God created the MacIntosh.
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I love how this political thread turned religious. How polarized is this nation?

Being from THE red state I am arguably qualified to address Roger's pasted humor and defend God's position. The simple answer is that there is a BIG difference between God's moral and ceremonial laws. The ceremonial law was simply intended to set apart God's people (Jews) from the surrounding nations. Yet the moral laws are timeless truths. With an open mind it's easy to tell the difference as you sift through 600+ laws in the Bible. For example, 10 big ones might come to mind as moral laws.

That being said however, Christians are NOT under the law, but have been freed from the law by Christ's sacrifice which through faith makes a believer right with God. God hates sin, Christ restores our relationship with God. By the way, true Christians don't need the law because they adhere to the most important commandment as stated by their savior: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and you shall love your neighbor like yourself.

That's the biblical, evangelical, red state interpretation


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C'mon folks... lighten up. The President is a man of conviction. I don't share his particular flavor of conviction, but I admire his tenacity. Flat-Earthers have strong convictions as well, but strength of conviction alone doesn't necessarily make someone's views right, OR righteous.

Right, wrong or indifferent, we're stuck with this President and his policies for another four years. Let's get over it! Those of us who disagree with this administration will undoubtedly have an opportunity in another four years to fix the percieved wrongs. Those who agree with this administration have four years to prove that the fears and concerns of the rest of us carry are unfounded. The history of the United States is filled with party and personal political battles, civil war, economic depressions, external wars and internal civil unrest and yet the Republic has stood. It may be battered and bruised, but it has stood. It will endure this President as well.

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Take heart you blues and reds...the country survived Carter and Clinton....And also survived Nixon and Reagan.
Because of our diversity, our passion for debate, and the Constitutional right to have it, the Union will survive because sum of the Spirit of the People is stronger than the spirit of any one individual leader.....The order in the universe is as it should be.
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Hi ALL....
Firstly I wish 2 say a huge SORRY 2 U ALL, 4 classin U all as "SUBJECTS"... & 2 THANK U, 4 expressin Yr Views on the G.W.B. topic, now being a Brit, it's kinda difficult 2 understand yr system of Presidents, 4 a start, the Words U use is jus another languish 2 Me, & Yr phrases also r very hard 4 Me 2 get My head round, infact when it comes 2 talkin abt politics, I opt 2 stay QUIET, as goes 4 religon...
As far as I can recall My firsts Moments with Yr wonderful country, it has always bn at WAR....whether it B A WAR FILM or Cowboys 'n Indians on the TV, Cinema or radio...there4, Yr land came across 2 Me as a hostile place, hell bent on bein the Super Power of the world....kinda bit like us & our football, any excuse 2 have a tumble on a saturday nite, a few drinks down our necks, & we ALL turn in2 RAMBO...
BUT, Havin bn 2 Yr Beautiful Land across the pond, ( Fla. 5 times, & agn this Nov....Boston once, But D/D flies out 2 Boston on Monday, She been 7 times....already...), So it's NOT the case of " Pikin on U Guys at all..." Personaly on ALL our visits 2 Yr Great Land, NONE of us have ever seen any mis-doins whatsoever...Infact I take My hat off 2 U ALL, Everyone I have spoken 2 in Yr Land, have bn VERY NICE indeed, & the FLA: Police r GREAT...LOL... But as 4 G.W.B. well as up 2 yet, the Guy aint done Me any harm...& the $ bein $1.80, IS very good indeed 4 us at the moment, usualy it's abt $1.50 to the UK £.... Ie $30 = £20 So we get a LOT 4 our money in Yr place over the pond...Lets jus hope it stays at that when We come over 4 our Vacation in Nov/Dec...( 21 nites )....Chris.....
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