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Old 09-06-2005, 03:12 PM   #505
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Chuck,
I can't tell you how much work it is to meet my and my family's "basic needs". I work "like a dog", usually 6 days a week, I never realized how much work it would be to take care of myself and my family, I'm usually exhausted at the end of each day and get a minimum amount of sleep each night - So you will understand how relieved I am that you are willing to make sure my "basic needs" are met, I can't tell you how much I'm going to enjoy the break, and to think all this time I thought it was my responsibility. Will you be sending cash or maybe a debit card . . . or actual food and supplies (I'd prefer the debit card).
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Old 09-06-2005, 04:04 PM   #506
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...and Kid, you should be careful in glass houses, the Tribune is one of the biggest pro- Republican papers in the country.
Eric, I wish you or any other single member of this discussion understood Word One about how newspapers work as corporate entities, as vehicles for social good, and as human institutions that are neither no good nor no worse than any other community of people.

But here's a clue to the completely ignorant way many people "understand" the media: Any time a news organization reports a story with which the "news consumer" disagrees, then the only possible explanation for this difference in the news consumer's eyes is "bias." This is one reason why I'm no longer with the Tribune & hope that that was my last job in journalism--I've spent every year of my life since I was 17 working for fairly low public-service wages because I considered it a privilege to try to make the world a better place through the glory of the free press ... but guess what? Not only can I NOT save people from themselves, turns out, but most everyone hates us biased, egotistical, marginally intelligent journalists who shouldn't question the president/only dwell on the bad side/don't dig hard enough into the bad stuff/should only report good news/show too much gore/show too many black faces/show too few black faces/bend over for the Palestinians/bend over for the Jews/have a secret liberal agenda/are Republican mouthpieces/just generally can't get the job done like every one of those people whose asses are firmly planted on a couch either watching TV, reading the newspaper or surfing news on the Web BECAUSE WITHOUT US YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING LIKE THE DEMOCRACY YOU ENJOY TODAY.

The average citizen has no idea how much angst & thought & experience & exhaustingly hard work goes into every issue of a top-quality outfit like the Chicago Tribune. It's humbling to be part of such a tremendous operation, and I was intensely proud of the work we did. A lot of my colleagues slept next to rotting camels in Iraq & went thirsty with the troops, and some of them have paid the ultimate price over the years for having their lives on the line in the nastiest corners of the globe. Wherever our president or our troops go, we're in the trenches too, and there aren't many people on this forum who can say anything near that. Wherever I've worked, when people were dead or dying, I had to grab a notebook & jump in the middle of the mess. I passed out the first time I saw a blood-soaked mattress & realized how much blood coursed through the human body. I've thrown up while flying in dizzy swoops with the Civil Air Patrol looking for a small plane ... when we knew there was going to be no good news, just an answer.

The media who are in New Orleans right now are trying to help their fellow humans in the way they are best equipped to do so. A friend of mine wrote a book after 9/11 called "Running Toward Danger" after someone observed that, as the towers were falling, the only people rushing toward Ground Zero rather than away were firefighters, the police & journalists.

The next time someone is tempted to sneer "Oh, the media is just sensationalizing the situation" or some other poorly thought out, kneejerk generalization, think for a second about what we do--versus what you do in your daily rounds to change the lives you are not directly responsible for.

And I did work for the Sun-Times for 6 unbelievably miserable years, including after they were bought by Conrad Black & Hollinger. People talked sentimentally about the glory years, by comparison, under Murdoch.
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Wow kid, that's pretty deep....the deepest I think I've ever seen you post here. My thoughts were just poking fun at the Trib...of course, it's the only paper I have ever read since being a kid, so I hope you don't think I was slamming the Trib, or you....I was merely trying to add some humor and I can see I might have crossed the line....maybe I need a time out and need to slide my keyboard away for a few...but it's attached to this laptop, and I'd have to slilde the whole darn thing away.....

BTW, I had no idea you left the Trib...I always got the sense that you were fairly happy there when you would say your editor was pretty cool.

Hope you find something you like.
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You didn't cross a line, Eric, I'm just not on a very even keel this week! I'm so sick of people in general & that's why I left the Trib. The human race no longer deserves me busting my ass on its behalf.

And I seldom bother to defend newspapers because I have lived & breathed journalism my entire life (from my freshman year of college on, I never even dated a guy who wasn't in news) and I get a little passionate when riled. So mostly I just let all "the media" comments slide off my back because I know those attitudes represent a depth of ignorance that I no longer have the energy to try to resolve.

Don't get me wrong--there are so many screwy things that happen in the practicing of journalism, just the way that sometimes doctors screw up & kill a patient rather than saving it, or the way a police officer will mistakenly shoot an innocent whom they are sworn to protect, but by & large I will go to my grave believing that we writers & editors achieve more good than the people who just have opinions about what everyone else SHOULD be doing better.

One of the perks of being a journalist, too, is that you get an inside view of all sorts of things. I've stated before that I despise pretty much every politician since Mike Mansfield, with the exception of Jimmy Carter (yeah, yeah, I know, he sucked as president but I challenge anyone to name a more generous or compassionate or hardworking person on the planet) ... but I've also seen the anguish that people in positions of responsibility feel when they haven't made the right split-second decision or they do everything by the book but something that cannot be predicted---and waiting in the wings are the stupid, burned-out family who was using a frayed extension cord & an overloaded space heater to keep them warm while they watched their wide-screen TV. In that case, I think the firefighters grieved harder for the boy who could not be saved from that house than did the preening family that seemed thrilled for a few minutes in front of a TV camera to blame everyone else on the planet for the fire they caused.

OK, that's enough, I suppose. This New Orleans stuff is getting to me. I write for a living--no, make that WROTE for a living--and hardly ever bothered "moonlighting" by foisting my personal feelings on a public forum. Maybe this is withdrawal. For the first time ever, I'm sitting on the sidelines.
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Summerkid... well said. I go now as a department head to fight the good fight with a city council of everyday folks, some of whom fancy themselves as experts in government, finance, law and law enforcement, journalism, psychology, and public utilities. Genius has it's limits, but ignorance knows no bounds.

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Excellent point. The phrase "Let them eat cake" was never once uttered by anyone in the French royalty. It originally appeared in a play, and later got turned into a delightful piece of propaganda by Robspierre and his pals.

All I'm saying is that we don't have a lot of starving people in the US, and in fact I think most of us (myself included) might be better off in the long run if we ate a lot less cake. And ice cream. And pork rhinds.

I guess maybe we should explore the meaning of "basic need" then. Some years ago, I was stationed on a military base that was being closed. The Air Force thought it would be a nice gesture to hand over the housing on the base to the local community to use for homeless folks. When the local authorities finished their inspection, they decided that the housing was inadequate for the homeless. Too small. Too old. Too primitive. Mind you, this was where junior officers and their families had been living. Whose basic needs were being met in that situation?

I'm skeptical with the premise that there are a lot of "have nots" in this country that are following all the rules, yet still falling behind. Our unemployment rate is better than every one of the social paradises in Europe. Everywhere I go, I see help wanted signs. Most of those jobs probably won't result in enough cash for a new Lexus right away, but I started out digging holes for tombstones at minimum wage myself.

Where in the world would you suggest we might find the perfect model of social harmony and progress? The efficacy of capitalist versus socialist models is fairly apparent when observing either side of the DMZ in Korea, or the parts of Germany that used to be on either side of the wall, or by comparing mainland China to Taiwan, etc, etc, etc. I've been to an awful lot of countries, and from my experience, the standard of living of our poor folks (including members of my extended family) easily exceeds that of the middle class in most all of them. For example, don't go looking for luxury and happiness in England. Compared to US citizens, for the same level of work, Brits have much smaller houses, smaller, less safe cars, and enormous taxes to pay for everything.

So what is the remedy? Governement salary limits? That produces shortages and surpluses. Enormous mimimum wages? That results in more unemployment. And how should any US president be blamed for any of this? We elect these guys to manage the executive branch, not to be Emperor in Charge of wide scale wealth redistribution.
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Unfortunately, neither you or I decide who are the "haves" and who are the "have nots". It's how folks see themselves that is relevent. Therein lies the problem...

The Admininstration does, in fact, become the Emporer in Charge of wide scale wealth concentration through their policies that either support or deny "big business" or, if you're my age, the "military-industrial complex".

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Unfortunately, neither you or I decide who are the "haves" and who are the "have nots". It's how folks see themselves that is relevent. Therein lies the problem...

The Admininstration does, in fact, become the Emporer in Charge of wide scale wealth concentration through their policies that either support or deny "big business" or, if you're my age, the "military-industrial complex".

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Believe it or not, in the interest of keeping the peace....no comment! Clearly, I think I could type a page or two comment on this comment, but repectfully, as instructed, the laptop is off, the desktop is on and the keyboard is mobile.....so I'm pushing it away for a spell.
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Me too. I'm done. Everybody has their own bogeyman. Far be it for me to convince them their concept might be askew. I think I'll go research classic guitar colors or aluminum manufacturing processes or something.

To quote Hal from 2001: "This conversation can serve no longer serve any useful purpose."
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Unfortunately, neither you or I decide who are the "haves" and who are the "have nots". It's how folks see themselves that is relevent. Therein lies the problem...

The Admininstration does, in fact, become the Emporer in Charge of wide scale wealth concentration through their policies that either support or deny "big business" or, if you're my age, the "military-industrial complex".

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If you look back at the top of page 23 of this string i provide a link to a forty minute program providing an in depth look at the carlyle group and who all the players are in that company. the first DC insider hired was carlucci, sec of defense during the reagan years. the program discussed how frankie went about setting pentagon policy during his term. when his term was up, he went to the carlyle group and capitalized on the policy he set into motion. he then brought in his old boss weinberger, schultz and others including GH Bush. they are ALL today profiting off the "military-industrial complex" mentioned above.

the clinton administration, as noted by silvertwinkie, threw a wrench into their pilfering of our tax dollars. but as soon as GW made his way in the pentagon financial gas pedal was put to the floor and these guys for the last five years are all profiting on our backs via out of control pentagon spending.

fun fact - on Sept 10, 2001 GH was hob-nobbing with members of the Bin Laden family in the name of doing business for the carlyle group. that night GH left the investor meetings early and hopped a jet to the mid-west. the next day the bin ladens were allowed to leave the county when no one else was allowed to fly. the Bushes and the Bin Laden's in business together - been going on since the '80's.

Here's to hoping in three years we have a President with OUR best interest in mind in the White House. I saw a bumper sticker yesterday coming back from Jersey Shore Haven Airstream Park - McCain-Powell in '08 - not a bad ticket. I want to know who Richardson (gov of AZ) will run with -- Hillary?

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Thumbs down Bilateral Design

If you take the human being and split one down the middle from top to bottom you get two halves that are very much the same. However, one is just the opposite of the other. It reminds me of our current political fad in the great USA. Present one of us with a problem, issue, mistake and we tend to split in half.
Let us go back to the complete human example. We are Bilateral by design and it serves a good purpose. Try walking with only one leg. Try to tie your shoe, What would happen to stereo or surround sound? What we need in this country is come together again and act like human beings. Let us try to come together and walk on two legs again. Maybe we would get some where!
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I love that analogy, NorCal. I feel exactly the same way about people who are deeply Democratic or rabidly Republican. They might be the 2 halves but for heaven's sake, life is so much more complex! How in the world can they buy into a single ideology set by someone else or, worse, by committee? I reserve the right to be pro-death penalty & anti-abortion, which my feminist friends get REALLY angry about, and I reserve the right to vote for Ralph Nader or Colin Powell regardless of their political affiliation. I have friends who will not speak to me even 4 years after the last election because I voted for a Republican governor.

I reserve the right to base my politics on environment & caring for the least able among us, which I suppose is Democratic, but I also reserve the right to have a lot of stuff & money, which I suppose is Republican.

But neither party really has room for people like me who judge every situation, every day, on its merits. My only "litmus test" is my principles, which don't change often.
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the clinton administration, as noted by silvertwinkie, threw a wrench into their pilfering of our tax dollars. but as soon as GW made his way in the pentagon financial gas pedal was put to the floor and these guys for the last five years are all profiting on our backs via out of control pentagon spending.

Here's to hoping in three years we have a President with OUR best interest in mind in the White House. I saw a bumper sticker yesterday coming back from Jersey Shore Haven Airstream Park - McCain-Powell in '08 - not a bad ticket. I want to know who Richardson (gov of AZ) will run with -- Hillary?

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Hey we have one right now that has our best interest in mind....it's a shame you think otherwise and the Clintons, well, I'm not sure I need to even comment much further on that trainwreck of an administration....outside of his shutting down our military and running away from battles which only made things worse, but I will say this, if you think, for one second, that a Democrat is any better than a Republican (or the other way around), think again...what was that line in Hunt for Red October..."I'm a politician, which means by definition, if I'm not out kissin' babies, I'm stealing their lollypops."

All I can say is there will be no Billary in 2008....period and I'd be happy to bet case of domestic (costs more than $15) on that fact Dave.
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Bilateral After thought

Split an Airstream down the middle from top to bottom and what do you get. I not sure but I think it's worthless!
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