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Old 09-06-2005, 05:41 AM   #491
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Now what kind of a reckless quote was that? See what distortion of the truth does? I said "not MANY" not "not ANY"... I'm in MA all the time, well if you consider 8-12 times a year all the time. From NY that pretty much is all the time. Kerry stickers -- I see them just often enough to have a laugh for myself and some time to study the rare endangered species occupying the vehicle!

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Old 09-06-2005, 07:17 AM   #492
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Again, Pork, I did say that the speed of response was a totally different issue. I have no question that the issue on speed of response was a slow. Since it sounds like you won't be back, I've PM'd you more specific thoughts.

...and Kid, you should be careful in glass houses, the Tribune is one of the biggest pro- Republican papers in the country.
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Kiddo, I think you missed the (tongue in cheek) point here...

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Hey, give kid a break, she's a Democrat working for a Republican slanted paper (Chicago Tribune, last I checked). She should work for the Sun-Times here in town, then it would cause less stress and she'd get the tongue in cheek jokes.
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I would call it a mandate...I mean he won the first election, won the second election by even more than the first and more importantly he won the popular vote too. If he didn't win the popular vote the second time around, I'd say sure, you gotta point, but he did, so I don't think you do.

As for social unrest, it's just the boggie man inside of each Democrat that is filled with big brother and conspiracy theories abound.....with modern pharmacology, no one need suffer these day terrors of delusions Rog.
I'm not disputing that he won the second election. I'm disputing that he won it be enough of a margin to call it a mandate. As a matter of fact, the margin was so slim that probably should have looked at this Presidency as a 'caretaker' office.

And for the social unrest... it's not conspiracy or big brother that's the issue... history shows us over and over again that there's a point at which the distribution of wealth reaches critical mass. When there are primarily only "haves", and "have-nots" with a corresponding substantial decrease in the working "middle class" that there begins to be social unrest. As long at there is a solid working middle class who believes they can better themselves and gain wealth for themselves, we're fine. The question is at what point the "working middle class" disappearance effectively occurs, and how well this administration can juggle that issue. Further, while the "have-nots" have social programs that make their lives comfortable, they tend to be placated. When those social programs are dismantled and enough of them find themselves with nothing while the "haves" continue to become wealthier, we're headed for problems. Recognize that I'm not saying "right or wrong" here... just analyzing our current situation in a historical perspective.

It remains to be seen how this administration deals with that, but according to the events that have led up to other "wealth redistributions" in history, we may be heading down a similar path...

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I think to call the commander in chief a "caretaker" is an insult to the office, but as an American, you have that right Roger. If your convictions are so strong to not have at least a general respect for the office, then so be it, but I will still call it a mandate since he won two terms. Even when Bill was in office, I disliked Bill after his first term with a passion, however, I never belittled the office because of my convictions.

As for the social unrest, I agree in principle with the essence of your observation, however, being the in the middle class for over 20 years, I can say clearly we've had better and worse. I doubt very much it will come to the worst-case scenario, but hey if yer right, yer right and I'll gladly pay up on our little wager (though you'll have to remind me what the price or item(s) were).
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Let me see if I follow this right. As long as some people have a lot more money than others, you get social unrest. So if some of the poorer people in Monacco, that only make, say, $10 million a year, find out that the formula drivers and so forth make 10 times what they do, look out for rioting and dissent!

At what point does one become satisfied with what one has? Can we determine a wealth floor above which people will quit paying attention to how much others have?

During the depression, several of my grandmother's siblings starved to death. People in the US on welfare today have a standard of living my grandmother could only have dreamed of back then.

So I find the wealth distribution theory offensive. It reduces us all to whining crybabies who have an obligation to take to the streets to make the government help us keep up with the Jones's.
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Excellent point.
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I don't have answers to your questions. I don't know, specifically, what causes riots to break out. I don't think there's a magic trigger. Each is different. However, you tend not to see the residents of places like Del Mar in SoCal, Beverly Hills, and other affluent areas riot. Riots break out among the folks who can least afford the damage. There are, however, general social issues that can be pointed to as being in effect in an area prior to social unrest, rioting, or out and out revolution occurring. And remember, we have a history here of armed revolution. As a matter of fact, it's occurred twice since 1770, so it's not unprecedented.

Regarding the 'caretaker' comment, Eric, I was only commenting that the "mandate" that the President had was not sufficient to make sweeping social reforms with the consent of an overwhelming majority of the populace because he didn't have a overwhelming majority. He had a two-percent majority. History has shown a number of "caretaker" presidencies where the President tried to maintain the status quo rather than making sweeping changes as a result of other social forces affecting the nation at the time. There was no disrespect intended on my part to either the President or the office.

Frankly, I am not happy with many of the President's decisions, but that has to do as much with the advice he's given and the nature of I percieve as his apparent "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead" recklessness. Others percieve that quality as "determination to stay the course" or "resolve".

My comments aren't written with the same sweeping emotion that some folks post with. I try to make observations about what's occurring in our country and find historical perspective with which to frame reasonable potential outcomes. Obviously, no one has a crystal ball, and I'm not a doomsday kind of person, as Eric knows. From a historic perspective however, when many of these circumstances have converged in the past, the outcome hasn't been pretty.

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when you have nothing, and little education, the mob mentality is more easily ascribed to. Isn't that why the radical islamics are able to recruit so many young guys?
If they had a piece of the pie they would not be so easily led.
Sadly too many folks in our great country still look for a government hand out to pull them out of their poverty, then many "bite" the hand that feeds them and demand more and more. I see that often in my contacts with the parents at public schools.
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Let me see if I follow this right.
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As long as some people have a lot more money than others, you get social unrest. So if some of the poorer people in Monacco, that only make, say, $10 million a year, find out that the formula drivers and so forth make 10 times what they do, look out for rioting and dissent!
no. Its about the disparity between rich and poor...not rich and richer.

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At what point does one become satisfied with what one has? Can we determine a wealth floor above which people will quit paying attention to how much others have?
its not about "keeping up with the Jones'. Its about having basic need met, and having the opportunity to improve one's own economic standing. When people are doing "all the right things", and can still only move backwards, while at the same time, enormous wealth concentrates at the other end of the scale, that's when the "unrest" starts.

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During the depression, several of my grandmother's siblings starved to death. People in the US on welfare today have a standard of living my grandmother could only have dreamed of back then.
That is the sort of thing that brings about revolution. It did then, and in other times in history, heads literally rolled because of such conditions. does the phrase "let them eat cake" ring any bells?
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I think there are some stuffy, whinny, crybabies who live in a self made comfort zone and hang a big red sign out front that reads DO NOT DISTURB.
I get a kick outta making it uncomfortable.
A couple of weeks ago I got flamed and dinged relentlessly just for trying to help someone...no one stepped in then...it was a flaming match with an audience.
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