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Old 08-30-2005, 09:14 PM   #393
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hi folks

since this zombie thread popped up i decided to spend a few minutes quickly reading 20 pages......i'm a verrrrrrrrrry fast reader. only useful posts were the "meatloaf files" and i'll be trying each version soon.

now i'd like to add something else useful; that i find helpful in getting to the core of party beliefs.....and of course it's funny when the truth is right there is just a few words.....

read the list and pick one.

mine is next to last.....

of course the last one is worded such
that this is obviously a green party tee shirt.....

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John Kennedy (and although he was a Dem, the party issue is irrelevent for this example) had many, many flaws... but his handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis was nothing short of brilliant, and he got input from some brilliant free thinkers who were loyal to him to a fault, but were also willing to argue with him. We need some out-of-the-box thinking right now.
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Thought provoking response...agreed with hd.
But on this point above.......One of my best friends in the world...he's 67...big time business guy (ret.) was alive and in his prime during Kennedy. I admittedly was too too young to even remember JFK.
My buddy is of the opinion that JFK came closer than anyone before or after him to date to bringing this country to complete destruction.
Kennedy w/all the "Camelot" spin...was the biggest waste of good air this country has ever known....IMHO
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My buddy is of the opinion that JFK came closer than anyone before or after him to date to bringing this country to complete destruction.
Your buddy might be a third right in his assessment. Remember that Kennedy was not the only player. If you recall your history, it was Kruschev and the Soviet Union who was setting up missle bases in Cuba with Fidel Castro's blessing. We had long-range nukes aimed at Moscow, and that alarmed Kruschev. They didn't have cruise missles with the range to hit Washington from inside the Soviet Union yet, and placing their missles in Cuba was their solution to getting us into reach for balance to the arms race.

So, what caused us to go to the brink of destruction? Was it our decision to aim missles at Moscow? Moscow's attempt at one-upsmanship? It doesn't matter; the bottom line is that Kennedy sending Adlai Stevenson to the U.N. defused the situation. It was a brilliant move in a world chess game that we won; however the match continues.

What lessons were learned here that our current administration can draw from?


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Kennedy w/all the "Camelot" spin...was the biggest waste of good air this country has ever known....IMHO
It's sweeping comments like this one that make folks dismiss otherwise good thoughts. None of our Presidents were saints. Each of them is a product of the times they were in office. Truman's decision to use the bomb ended the war with Japan. We regard that decision as bold and heroic. Had using the bomb not worked, or somehow resulted in nuclear retaliation from somewhere else, it would have been reckless and unwarranted. It was the right decision at the right time. Reagan had a host of HUGE problems he couldn't resolve, yet he's revered as the "Great Orator". As a matter of fact, many of the problems California faces today have their roots in Reagan's governorship, and much of the Mideast policy issues that we're dealing with today were a result of Reagan's administration. Kennedy's administration faced a host of issues, and most of them were resolved well; albeit with some unorthodoxy for the time.

Those of us who WERE around in the Camelot era regarded it as an era of great hope and prosperity for our country. The Johnson and Nixon administrations that followed were marred by Viet Nam, social unrest, riots, the civil rights movement, assassinations, a failed presidency with a sitting President accused of felony conspiracy... NOT a particularly pleasant period in our history.

It is appropriate to judge specific actions of administrations in the glare of history, but to make dismissive statements that an entire adminstration was a waste of good air is unreasonable and doesn't illustrate a grasp of the subject.

It is exactly the kind of polarizing and dismissive statement that shuts down healthy discussion before it can start. It is statements such as that we are seeing from the right side of the aisle in Congress. Nothing is black and white. There is always something to be gained from every discussion. Learning never stops. Except in Congress.

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Those of us who WERE around in the Camelot era regarded it as an era of great hope and prosperity for our country. The Johnson and Nixon administrations that followed were marred by Viet Nam, social unrest, riots, the civil rights movement, assassinations, a failed presidency with a sitting President accused of felony conspiracy... NOT a particularly pleasant period in our history.


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Everything that was mentioned here was a bi-product of the cold war (though we'll never know on the Kennedy assassination), which was in part a result of the atomic bombs being dropped on Japan. Before however, anyone is quick to blame Truman for their use, it's important to keep in mind that both Japan and Germany had active programs looking to create these devices and they would have most likely used them if they had found these weapons first. Either way, the deterioration of relations with Russia added to the creation of these weapons led to a few letters, M.A.D. which in nuclear terms means mutually assured destruction. Human nature being what it is, the balance of power or the status quo needed to be maintained. In terms of the cold war, for every new development we made the Russians needed a solution and the other way around to maintain M.A.D. Though history does show America winning the cold war, there were several bi-products of it that reach us today, traversing nearly about 10 or so administrations from both sides of the aisle.

Look at The Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Korea and now Afghanistan.

The United States had successes here and losses, some of them that never really materialized until recently, though they were clearly there, several administrations from both sides left it to brew since the thought was "It's not in my neighborhood"....until the embassy bombings and 9/11 where we finally realized, hey, we don't need to keep up with the Jones' anymore with a cold war, and although we have nukes we can't really use them unless it's a last resort, meaning a full scale nuclear war, so what do we do to clean up this mess now? We'll, the answer is you do what's being done. Unlike Clinton, you show that we're not afraid to take on casualties (ie Somalia). People in the world firmly believe that Americans will riot and turn in the streets against administrations that bring our men and women home in body bags....and to a certain degree, they are all right. See the problem here is that Americans have short minds and no sense of struggle. We've had it good here, no matter how bad our economy ever turned on us compared to some places in this world that have it much worse and expect loss of life and hard struggles.

In the end, you might not agree with Bush and being America, it's beyond your right to do so. But keep in mind these events that Bush and future administrations from both sides of the aisle that will follow will need to make tough choices, and a lot of them will be not be popular and clearly we will have major setbacks, but we will prevail if we as Americans take the lead and deal with what we partly are responsible for creating....and don't even get me started with the U.N., that is a bitter disappointment (corruptions, oil for food program issues, etc) getting almost nothing done and passing resoultions that had no teeth for at least a decade.

For those who read the quatrains from Nostrodomus, if correct, there is something that said 4 and 20 years of this will continue. Maybe he's right, or maybe he's wrong, but you can't help but realize that this gorilla and unconventional type war is going to continue for some time to come because of America and Russia's complete ingnorance to fighting in other people's countries to try and export the way of life that suited them and them leaving these countries when we were done as safe havens for all kind of nasty stuff to happen.
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i took out the pork and added the turkey to make the loaf more healthful....now i so healthy i want to slap myself......
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Slap Yo Momma' Meatloaf

1 family pack ground beef
1/2 large onion, chopped
1 bell pepper, large
3/4 of a small can of evaporated milk
2 eggs
1 1/2 packages of crackers
A-1 Sweet and Tangy Steak sauce
1 small can tomato sauce
1/2 bottle of ketchup Glaze:
1/3 cup Dark Karo Syrup
1/2 cup Ketchup
1/4 cup Brown Sugar Place ground beef in large bowl. Add chopped onion and bell pepper. Pour in a whole bottle of A-1 Steak sauce, 1/2 medium bottle of ketchup, 1 small can tomato sauce. Beat 2 eggs in cereal bowl and add enough evaporated milk to fill bowl. Pour in meatloaf mixture and mix with hands thoroughly. Add enough crackers to make the mixture stick together. Recipe makes 2 large loaves, so you may split and freeze half. Mold meat into a loaf in a roaster or similar deep dish pan. Bake at 350-375ºF. for about an hour and a half, or until it appears to be done. You may also drain some of the juice off of the loaf before you top with glaze, but not too much because it will result in a dry meatloaf. Mix glaze ingredients in equal parts or to taste and cover meatloaf with it. Bake uncovered until coating is cooked. Slice and serve. Comments: Now, Slap 'yo momma if this meatloaf ain't the bomb!!!!

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For those who read the quatrains from Nostrodomus, if correct, there is something that said 4 and 20 years of this will continue. Maybe he's right, or maybe he's wrong,
He's wrong ... and goofy, too.

These “prophecies” are so obscurely written … they could apply to just about anything. Not to mention all the mistranslations floating around that are conveniently constructed to support a particular belief.
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He's wrong ... and goofy, too.

These “prophecies” are so obscurely written … they could apply to just about anything. Not to mention all the mistranslations floating around that are conveniently constructed to support a particular belief.
Not all of them are....some strike pretty close to home.....keep in mind I say this kind of as a skeptic myself, but the Hister one in particular got my attention.
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Skeptics cast doubt upon the interpretation of Nostradamus's quatrains (Randi 1993). Here is how James Randi and Cheetham read one of the more famous quatrains, allegedly predicting the rise of Adolph Hitler to power in Germany:

Bêtes farouches de faim fleuves tranner;
Plus part du champ encore Hister sera,
En caige de fer le grand sera treisner,
Quand rien enfant de Germain observa. (II.24)

Cheetham's version:

Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers,
The greater part of the battle will be against Hitler.
He will cause great men to be dragged in a cage of iron,
When the son of Germany obeys no law.

Randi's version:

Beasts mad with hunger will swim across rivers,
Most of the army will be against the Lower Danube.
The great one shall be dragged in an iron cage
When the child brother will observe nothing.

Neither translation seems to make much sense, but at least Randi's recognizes that "Hister" refers to a geographical region, not a person. So does "Germania," by the way; it refers to an ancient region of Europe, north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. It may also refer to a part of the Roman Empire, corresponding to present-day northeastern France and part of Belgium and the Netherlands. (Because Hister is an ancient name for the Danube region near Hitler's childhood home, some think the reference is clearly to him.)
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Slap Yo Momma' Meatloaf

1 family pack ground beef
1/2 large onion, chopped
1 bell pepper, large
3/4 of a small can of evaporated milk
2 eggs
1 1/2 packages of crackers
A-1 Sweet and Tangy Steak sauce
1 small can tomato sauce
1/2 bottle of ketchup Glaze:
1/3 cup Dark Karo Syrup
1/2 cup Ketchup
1/4 cup Brown Sugar
Sista,

I love this recipe! With two exceptions. The bell peppers give me really bad heartburn. The A1 steak sauce sounds great and I love it, but I have to ask. Is it made by H.J. Heinze and Co.? We don’t buy Heinze products any longer in our family. We’re afraid that socialist witch will spend the money on yet another SUV that will pollute the environment, clog our highways and take gasoline away from yet another “working family” that needs it to drive to their minimum wage job. (Remember, even if my meatloaf isn’t the best recipe, this is a political thread!) ROFLMAO!
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The A1 steak sauce sounds great and I love it, but I have to ask. Is it made by H.J. Heinze and Co.? We don’t buy Heinze products any longer in our family. We’re afraid that socialist witch will spend the money on yet another SUV that will pollute the environment, clog our highways and take gasoline away from yet another “working family” that needs it to drive to their minimum wage job.

CRIMEY!!!!!!!
SOMEBODY BUY THAT WOMAN A ROUND OF ANYTHING SHE WANTS!!!!!!!
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He's wrong ... and goofy, too.

These “prophecies” are so obscurely written … they could apply to just about anything. Not to mention all the mistranslations floating around that are conveniently constructed to support a particular belief.


REALLY goofy.
Youd have better luck trying to extract DNA from a fart.
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Many bizarre estimations of the situation...

... have been made. But guess who I heard from today with the first suggestion applying to the present situation?

"Dear Bob,

This is a time for all Americans to pull together and do everything we can to assist people whose lives have been devastated by Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

If you haven't acted already, I urge you to join in delivering immediate help to the people who need it most. One way to do that is to support the relief and recovery efforts of the Red Cross with a personal donation.

Donate to the Red Cross.

As we hold those who are going through so much pain and suffering in our prayers, I know you'll do everything you can to reach out and help.

Sincerely,

John Kerry

P.S. There are a host of other volunteer relief agencies doing essential life-saving work in this emergency. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which is coordinating the federal government's response efforts, has posted a list of recommended groups on its website.


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Twink, I was totally with you until you hit Nostradamus! From the Skeptics Dictionary

Yea, I know that part was a strech, but I myself can't help but feel none of this is going to end anytime soon and add to the fact......

As of now, gas is at $3.37 a gallon. Most of my trips at this point are canceled as four fillups now cost me with the cheap stuff $493.00 which would be a typical trip. Driving has become a major luxury and the big meaty V8s I own are too expensive to operate, as would be buying a used econobox at this point.

Even with Bush opening the SOR (Stratigic Oil Reserves), I don't feel the issue is supply, it's refining it....and it's not a Bush thing either, this whole energy thing is global. To me it's just totally nuts that a gas dealer has a truck come in, fill the station up, the price on the board is $2.97. Before the truck comes back again, within one day the price shoots up to $3.37, yet when good news happens and supply is good or whatever the case may be, it rarely drops as fast as it went up.

I know Nostrodomus didn't predict that either, but it still blows.
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