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Old 04-06-2012, 07:07 PM   #15
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There were in fact five or six injured, including the student pilot and instructor. The news here is currently reporting that all have been released from the hospital except one of the naval aviators. First Responders are still searching through the damaged/destroyed buiidlings, so we are keeping are fingers X'd. Jack
Yep - that is the latest news. I've read about several of these military crashes, and without exception, the list of injured/killed is amazingly short. Pilots are so highly trained and so dedicated they'll go down with their planes if it means the plane hits in a less poplulated area.

It must be 14 years or more ago, but there was a Reserve Squadron doing their active duty practice with their usual "vintage" planes - not the newest stuff by a long shot. Flying close formation, there was a mid air collision (touch) about 160 miles out - one plane barely damaged, the other lost almost 1/3 of a wing and almost all of it's tail. The pilot was advised to eject, but he kept the plane under control and with an escort plane flew back to Oceana and landed safely. Nothing hit the media until the plane was down, but even seasoned "regular Navy" pilots simply couldn't believe anyone could have flown it 160 miles and landed it without incident.... and this from a weekend warrior.

Be impressed.

Be very impressed with what happened today - You might never want to launder their flight suits - but they pulled off something equivalent to the miracle on the Hudson. Not quite that kind of storybook ending, but everyone is alive and recovering.

Of course NO pilot wants to eject. The ejection seat is great for saving life, but it's often a career ending choice. The rocket blast can cause spinal disc compression and eye problems including detached retinas have happened. Wait too long, you float down into your own fireball, or worse you eject upside down at 500 feet and you get the "Polish Parachute" - opens on impact.


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Old 04-06-2012, 09:18 PM   #16
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Yea for Martin Baker - some AME is getting a case of beer tonight...

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Old 04-06-2012, 09:57 PM   #17
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Hope he shares it with the PR.

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Old 04-07-2012, 05:39 AM   #18

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Hope he shares it with the PR.

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Damn straight...whoever signed the cards on those seats deserves it.

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Old 04-07-2012, 05:53 AM   #19
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...but even seasoned "regular Navy" pilots simply couldn't believe anyone could have flown it 160 miles and landed it without incident.... and this from a weekend warrior.
seems counter-intuitive, but actually, the reserve pilots are the more "seasoned" bunch, by far. These people are almost exclusively former full-time military. (very, very rare for someone to join the reserve/'guard "off the street" and get sent to flight school; so they just don't have any "new" pilots). Average flight time of reserve pilots is "thousands" of hours, while the average flight time of active duty pilots is about 600.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:38 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
Great job Paula!!

God Bless all.

As a MCAS veteran, reading some of those Facebook posts on the news links makes my blood boil.
They have no idea what those Pilots were going thru. Assigning blame at this point accomplishes nothing.

Prayers for the victims.

As Robert knows, the reason modern aviation is so remarkably safe, is that the Aviation community tries to avoid the "blame game". Avoid "who screwed up"! Better "what went wrong , How can we do better, and what can we do to avoid this in the future?" People report problems rather than hide them. Unfortunately hospitals are 20 years behind Aviation in adopting this culture of safety. Checklists, debriefings, and walkarounds are just a few examples of aviation safety techniques that can be applied to any complex situation (like towing an Airstream or doing a total hip replacement)
Thanks again Robert for words of wisdom.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:39 AM   #21
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The local news is now reporting that all residents in accident area have been accounted for. Only one remains in the hospital - one of the two naval aviators. Given where the plane went down, this is truly a miracle and an unbelievable act of airmanship.
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I spent 1 year TDY working in the egress shop while in the USAF. We did have a couple of pilots deliver cases of beer after a successful ejection. Ejection is very violent and can cause issues, but it does save lives.

BTW, the person who packed the parachute would also get $1 from the pilot. They were always framed and displayed with great pride.



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