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Old 07-18-2005, 02:46 PM   #1
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univ. of ill. reasearchers have developed a new milling process that makes ethanol more economical. the new process increases the amount of ethanol produced per batch. ethanol production is expected to increase to 6 billion gallons by 2006. utilizing the new process will increase the protein content of the animal feed and lower fiber content enabling it to be fed to non-ruminant animals like chickens and( my best porky voice) papa-papa-PIGS!....two of my most favoritists on the buba-coo..... doncha know.

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boy, i woulda figured the ioweegans would have figured that out by now!

what will the cost per gallon be with out all of us contributing tax monies i wonder?

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Seems to me the best use for ethanol is internally, as a preliminary way to dull the senses enough to accept its viability as a motor fuel:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/200...runc_sys.shtml
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This is the same discussion we started a couple of weeks ago. I repeat my objections to Pimentel's study, which was done many years ago, and has been disputed by other more recent studies.

The subsidy on ethanol is $0.53/gal, or about 5 cents per gal of fuel. I see it as part of the cost of weaning ourselves off mid-east oil.
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how about when you add the subsidy on the corn itself?

somebody's making money manufacturing ethonol, new plants are being built here in wisconsin. it does certainly help our local economy.

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And ethanol being easier to get means it will be more interest to me to it to process Vegetable oil into Bio Diesel. Now if I am producing Ethanol for my own Vehicular consumption would they still give me a hard time about having a still in my backyard
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This is the same discussion we started a couple of weeks ago. I repeat my objections to Pimentel's study, which was done many years ago, and has been disputed by other more recent studies.

The subsidy on ethanol is $0.53/gal, or about 5 cents per gal of fuel. I see it as part of the cost of weaning ourselves off mid-east oil.
no, once again you guys have formulated your opinion and refuse to open your eyes....using ethanol reduces emissions...new technologies, such as this new milling process is lowering cost and providing additional benefits.. the old process produced more animal feed than could be consumed, ie. high fiber feed only useful for dairy and beef cattle. by using this new process, it is increasing co-products, as my analogy in the other thread, i said: " $1 in $2.50 out"... and it good for the farmer. so, take a look at the "big picture".
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Has anybody heard about the recent study at Cornell University that shows that it takes 1.3 btu worth of petroleum to make 1.0 btu worth of alcohol. The more alcohol we use, the more dependent we will be on foreign oil. Dumb thing to do. Even the guide at an etholol plant admitted, after a lot of pushing, that it took more btu's of oil to make alcohol than the alcohol would have.
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Heard about it? Yeah, it's the one mentioned above, and in previous threads, by Pimentel.

It's OLD. Technology moves ON. He made some really BAD economic assumptions.

It's recently revived and republished, but the data is decades old.
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Recently there have been plans to build an ethanol plant in Cumberland Co. PA. but it has been met with a lot of resistance by some of the nearby residents. How big are these plants?
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quite large!

here is the link for the one closest to me in monroe wisconsin.

http://www.badgerstateethanol.com/

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Large? That plant would fit in a corner of the parking lot of the Belvidere auto plant. It's not much larger than the feed plant for most cattle feeder operations.
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they have a rail yard that holds around 300 rail cars, for a city the size of monroe it is large!

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on edit, i guess youre right it isn't as big as a auto plant, but compared to the dairy farms in the background it is still large or at least big!

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archer daniels midland, and cargill, are a couple of 600 pound gorillas in the ethanol game...heres a news release for one...

www.cargill.com/news/news_releases/050629_demeter.htm
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