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Old 08-25-2016, 06:26 AM   #85
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Our TV has bulges for improved grip at 10 and 2 on the wheel.

Myth busters did a show on airbags vs hands and found, IIRC, no issues
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:27 AM   #86
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It's still good for the discussion! We are all learning all the time. Thanks!
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:15 AM   #88
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I don't know about anyone else here, but I never learn anything from being right. I learn from being wrong, and having people tell me why I'm wrongó as opposed to just telling me that I'm wrong.

The engineer's blessing and curse. Since I started the topic, I'm going to veer off for a sec...

3 guys on death row. One from Harvard Law, one from Yale Divinity, one from MIT. All assigned to the electric chair and sent in that order. First guy is asked if he has any last words. He says - I believe firmly in the law of justice and my innocence will bear witness! They pull the switch - nothing! Taking this as a sign, he is released and presumed innocent.

Second guy's last words: I believe in the divine mercy of the Lord and He will bear witness to my innocence! They pull the switch - nothing again! Once again, this is seen as a sign and he is released, presumed innocent.

MIT guy straps in and for his last words says, you know - if you don't connect those wires to those bolts over there....


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Old 08-25-2016, 08:19 AM   #89
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Speaking of the Interstate, not metro roads. Left lane is not for travel. Not for overtaking. Only for passing. Period.

Interstates were built with two lanes so one could slow well in advance of the exit ramp (it is a huge driving mistake to do otherwise) and other traffic could continue unimpeded by moving to left lane. My signal coming on .4 of a mile out is the signal to others to change lanes as necessary.

Someone overtaking me at an extra legal speed in the left lane takes his life in his hands as I (or anyone else) moves left to go around someone slowing for an exit. ROW is centered on right lane traffic. All else flows from that.

In the same way, a yield or merge onto the Interstate is wrongly done if it intrudes into the braking distance of traffic present. The IQ-challenged assume that entry below traffic flow speed AND the upper limit is permissible. It isn't if it intrudes and causes slowing, much more, braking. (Never enters their pea brains why the expense of building these long ramps).

Big trucks moving over for other big trucks is purely a courtesy. Not necessary. I blame other drivers for moving over for car traffic and helping foster the illusion among the illiterate majority that the action is correct. It isn't.

Same for changing lanes when someone is on the shoulder. Not necessary. Square of the distance problem, and only then if people are moving around. A few feet make all the difference. (Nothing like having another big truck without warning squeeze into the space between you and another big truck to accomplish this. But the same who'll ignore construction zone limits where the risk is genuine).

Exiting is little different. Ramp speed is always below frontage road speed. This is to have the vehicle back under mild acceleration in entering that road to get slack out of combined rigs and have others tracking straight as well

. ROW is ONLY if one is leading other traffic on that road, legally. If the other car is a half length ahead, the yield by them was proper if technically a tight call.

ROW is an abstract concept. Too much for too many nowadays as they are incapable of abstract reasoning. Deductions and inferences. Why the entrance yield sign has been replaced nationwide with merge. But even that has been in vain.
You're from Texas. You might want to review the Texas Drivers Handbook and DPS citation qualifiers. There is much incorrect with what you've written.

It's wrong to change lanes anytime if you haven't already checked the intended lane for existing traffic and one's own ability to merge without interfering with existing traffic-flow. That's no different than crossing at intersections or any other effort at entering existing traffic.
In fact, in some situations, it's illegal NOT to change lanes to the left when vehicles are stopped on the shoulder, for example when emergency, L.E. and/or rescue vehicles are stopped....otherwise one is required to significantly SLOW your speed (by 20 mph minimum) if the lane change does not meet with lane-change safety.

Exit ramp speed is NOT "always slower" than frontage road speed. It is the same. Furthermore, the exiting traffic HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY over existing frontage road traffic. Slowing for the exit ramp should be done with an eye toward the least impact upon existing interstate traffic flow, with the intent of successfully entering frontage traffic, but frontage traffic always has the obligation to allow exiting traffic to enter. (Many exit ramps have Yield signage reminders for frontage traffic. You will NEVER see a Yield sign for the exiting traffic. THINK about that.)
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I'm confused. Didn't you both say basically the same things? One just got more specific than the other. Slowmover assumes common sense and doesn't list rare exceptions to scenarios.
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You're from Texas. You might want to review the Texas Drivers Handbook and DPS citation qualifiers. There is much incorrect with what you've written.

It's wrong to change lanes anytime if you haven't already checked the intended lane for existing traffic and one's own ability to merge without interfering with existing traffic-flow. That's no different than crossing at intersections or any other effort at entering existing traffic.
In fact, in some situations, it's illegal NOT to change lanes to the left when vehicles are stopped on the shoulder, for example when emergency, L.E. and/or rescue vehicles are stopped....otherwise one is required to significantly SLOW your speed (by 20 mph minimum) if the lane change does not meet with lane-change safety.

Exit ramp speed is NOT "always slower" than frontage road speed. It is the same. Furthermore, the exiting traffic HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY over existing frontage road traffic. Slowing for the exit ramp should be done with an eye toward the least impact upon existing interstate traffic flow, with the intent of successfully entering frontage traffic, but frontage traffic always has the obligation to allow exiting traffic to enter. (Many exit ramps have Yield signage reminders for frontage traffic. You will NEVER see a Yield sign for the exiting traffic. THINK about that.)
Moving over for merging traffic is not necessary in most cases. It impedes faster traffic and when the merging car accelerates it prevents the other driver from moving back over. I'm not sure where drivers are taught how to merge but my drivers Ed teacher used to reach over and floor it when I learned to merge. That said, it's not always possible to accelerate quickly enough with the Airstream in tow but I definitely try. 60 is about the minimum speed to attempt a merge and even my V6 grand Cherokee will usually do it.
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:41 AM   #92
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Speaking of the Interstate, not metro roads. Left lane is not for travel. Not for overtaking. Only for passing. Period.

Might save some heartburn to be aware of regional differences here. I'm sure that in Texas, what you're saying is true, but in California, and some other places I've travelled, it's definitely not. In California, all lanes are for travel. Period. The rule here is to find a lane where traffic is going more or less at your speed, and drive there, or drive in the far left lane if you're going faster than anyone else. People used to argue incessantly about this on a motorcycle forum I used to frequent. I made the same comment I just made above, and they STILL argued about it, so I just gave up. To me, it's like arguing that people in Maine ought to change their accent, so the rest of us can understand what they're saying. They're not going to change it, so if you're going to Maine, learn to adjust.
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Old 08-25-2016, 10:35 AM   #93
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Might save some heartburn to be aware of regional differences here. I'm sure that in Texas, what you're saying is true, but in California, and some other places I've travelled, it's definitely not. In California, all lanes are for travel. Period. The rule here is to find a lane where traffic is going more or less at your speed, and drive there, or drive in the far left lane if you're going faster than anyone else. People used to argue incessantly about this on a motorcycle forum I used to frequent. I made the same comment I just made above, and they STILL argued about it, so I just gave up. To me, it's like arguing that people in Maine ought to change their accent, so the rest of us can understand what they're saying. They're not going to change it, so if you're going to Maine, learn to adjust.
Tangenting a bit, but that drove me nuts when on work assignment in northern California.... the freeway out of San Francisco (where we stayed) up to Novato (our work location); every day, four lanes, all four going the speed limit exactly... letting people lane change and merge as needed... it was.... stifling to an east coaster...
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Old 08-26-2016, 07:01 PM   #94
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When I tell my daughter to drive safely and be careful....she always reminds me ....
"LET THE FOOLS HAVE THE ROAD...WAY AHEAD!" I usually add ..."AND BE PREPARED TO STOP FOR THE ACCIDENT ON THE ROAD AHEAD"!

I'm retired...not ever in a hurry...I don't mind giving up "my space on the road...to an idiot" ....they are well come to it...I don't need to be the first in line...at the same redlight that the idiot waits in ....two car lengths ahead...and I have not endangered others, nor, am I feeling less than privileged that the idiot took my space in the road...welcome to it...just don't kill someone! (That's my philosophy)! Evelyn.
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Old 08-27-2016, 12:18 AM   #95
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Driving defensively against offensive drivers

The real true joy out of driving, after watching some fool weaving through traffic, is to see said fool at the side of the road in a discussion with the local law.

The only thing better is to see the same fool at the side of the road, hood up, trying to put out the fire with bare hands.

Have seen the former quite often, the latter at least once or twice. Hard to avoid smiling and laughing as we motor by in our usual calm fashion.


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I'm confused. Didn't you both say basically the same things? One just got more specific than the other. Slowmover assumes common sense and doesn't list rare exceptions to scenarios.

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Might save some heartburn to be aware of regional differences here. I'm sure that in Texas, what you're saying is true, but in California, and some other places I've travelled, it's definitely not. In California, all lanes are for travel. Period. The rule here is to find a lane where traffic is going more or less at your speed, and drive there, or drive in the far left lane if you're going faster than anyone else. People used to argue incessantly about this on a motorcycle forum I used to frequent. I made the same comment I just made above, and they STILL argued about it, so I just gave up. To me, it's like arguing that people in Maine ought to change their accent, so the rest of us can understand what they're saying. They're not going to change it, so if you're going to Maine, learn to adjust.

An inner lane will be preferred, by statute, for passing when in rural areas I'd bet.

Differences are more on signage, and that due to climate, terrain and expected traffic.
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Driving defensively against offensive drivers

It annoys me to no end when a person thinks that the left lane is a place to drive for miles on end at under the speed limit.

Add to this, I don't think the left lane is as safe as the right lane for "casual driving".

In my observation the number one violators are vehicles plated from CA, the number two violators are vehicles plated from TX.

(It used to almost always be a vehicle from one of these two states, but it must be catching on nationwide now)

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