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Old 04-17-2016, 11:08 AM   #15
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What we really need to do for improved safety in this new era is to start training our new drivers on effective skills for successful texting while driving.

Just like the classic "Just Say No" campaign that stopped teenage drug abuse, we need a slogan that crystallizes the issue and teaches how to prevent texting accidents.

I think either "Remember, Look Up Every Two Characters", or "Learn To Steer With Your Knees" would be good.
Finally a sensible solution. You should run for president!
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:19 AM   #16
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Taking on my new school bus driving job, I had to undergo a defensive driving course, and it's assessed and renewed every couple of years. The big lesson I learned was that you must make way for other people's mistakes. It doesn't matter how hideous the other guy's driving, you should always drive in a manner to avoid them, every single time. It takes a bit practice to get out of the bad habit of trying to "punish" someone for cutting you up or pulling out in front of you, but once you get it, you just let that a*hole get on with it and drive on safe in the knowledge that you were in the right. Driving with such a precious cargo, you have no option but to give way to idiots.

Years of riding a motorcycle also contributes to a better mindset when out on the road; your trailer might not be invisible but you have to drive like it is.
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:24 AM   #17
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Having driven big trucks for 48 Plus years I have seen most of it. In all our travels we haven't had any problems...we drive 60-65 , in the right lane and we aren't changing lanes unless we have to, use signal lights ahead of time...I do see the rv accidents caused by the rv driver changing lanes and driving faster than they can think, slow down and enjoy the ride...
I agree with you as I have owned 18 wheelers and my oldest son still drives them. What he says that 4 wheelers and cellphone users cause majority of accidents. The feds say same thing but tree huggers all blame big trucks and ambulance chasing lawyers do same thing. Yes there are a few bad big truck drivers. My son has 2 non chargeable accidents, one when car turned left on 4 lane with no room to do so got t boned kept rite on going onto inter state never seen again, luckily son was bob tail, local pd didn't even want to make report. Second in construction zone in go ahead lane and young kid zoomed up in left lane no room because of barricades, went under trailer behind tractor [crunch time] and this was below posted limits. No fault to son, other driver went to jail after release from hospital. Little long but remember leave room and use turn signals
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Old 04-17-2016, 12:40 PM   #18
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When towing or not I assume every other driver on the road is a complete psychopathic idiot and is out to kill me. My answer to that I give absolute 100% Right of way to one and all. I just completed a 2500 mile incident free round trip and that outlook saved my bacon numerous times.
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Old 04-17-2016, 12:50 PM   #19
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I try to drive defensively, and I must be somewhat successful at it, still being alive. However, on several occasions, someone has pulled in front of me and jammed on the brakes. Some of the other posters have mentioned that too. I'm sure it would be even worse if I were driving a much heavier vehicle, such as a loaded semi. I'm not sure what I should be doing to avoid that, or if there's anything I really could do, other than get a really loud horn, as was mentioned. I suspect that many drivers who haven't experienced driving a heavy vehicle don't even realize how much longer distance it takes to stop one. My son is a good example. He drives for Uber in his spare time, and was complaining to me about how much space semis leave in front of them, and how he always tries to zip around them to get into that space. I explained to him all the reasons that are obvious to us why truck drivers do that, but being my son, even though he is grown, there is still a tinge of resentment when he feels that I'm trying to correct him, so I'm not sure how much he listens to me when he perceives that is happening.


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Old 04-17-2016, 12:58 PM   #20
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McDave - that jamming on the brakes is sometimes a staged accident. Not saying it is or isn't in the case you're describing, but another reason to keep your distance is to defend yourself from scammers. Here are a few examples:


http://www.dmv.org/insurance/how-to-...-accidents.php
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Old 04-17-2016, 01:50 PM   #21
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I guess I was sort of aware in the back of my mind about the possibility of staged accidents, but I had no idea it was becoming so common, or the variety of ways an accident could be staged. Based on their discussion of staged witnesses, it would seem important if you witness an accident to be a good Samaritan and offer a report, even if there seems to be other witnesses on the scene.
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Old 04-17-2016, 02:36 PM   #22
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One of the reasons I have a dash cam running while I drive. Idiots can't argue with the pictures.
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Old 04-17-2016, 02:44 PM   #23
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This is a terrible thread. Raised my BP 10 points. Thanks for starting it. I'll be back to normal when I hit submit.

Limited access entry. Don't mind the folks that hurry up to get in front of me. There is usually room and I can slow a bit. Absolutely hate the folks that enter at their speed and pace our speed and just move over expecting the world will move for them. Solution is to drive in lane number 3 of 4. Give the entry folks their lane. The faster folks can still get around you. If only 3 then work back and forth between 2 and 3 as traffic allows. Some cities are directing you to pull left to reduce the entry conflict. On a two lane, drive defensively like you all said!

Trucks that waggle. Really hate to follow a truck that is drifting onto the shoulder over and over and over again. Brrrrrr, brrrrrr, BRRRR is a sound that I hate. Good time to slow down and wait for him to pull of for fuel. Might just be time for lunch or a pit stop.

Pop outs. Trucks that pass by waiting until the truck in front slowes just a bit and then pop out in front of you to pass and a real safety hazard. And it's frustrating when they run 0.25 mph faster than the truck they are passing, but fall back a bit on hills and stay in the passing lane until they retire. Slow down and let them go their way. Make time when you hit the hills.

Pull ins. The passenger cars and some trucks can be a real pain when they just get past you and pull in front with less than appropriate stopping distance. When they keep pulling away, at least the hazard is mitigated. When they slow for a hill, not so much.

Think I'll stop here and have a sandwich. It really is the right solution on the road too. We generally travel slower than most trucks and that helps. The hassle is in areas where speed limits are enforced and folks want to travel just at the limit. If it's 70+, no problem. If it 55 ...... you just have to deal with it.

Again, a very worth while thread, just makes me prone to rant. Better here than there. Pat
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Good thready.

I remember from drivers ed, many decades ago.

Always leave yourself an "out", and know what it is. You can speed up, slow down, or change lanes.

I would have to say for me, that my #1 gripe is people who don't pass others properly/safely.

On the interstate or other divided highway, don't enter the passing lane to the left of a vehicle (especially a semi truck) while there is another car passing. Because now you don't have your "out". And stay in the passing lane long enough so that when you pull back in front of the vehicle you just passed, that vehicle still has that 2 second distance between you both. I was taught to not pull back to the thru lane until both headlights of the vehicle just passed are visible in the rear view mirror.
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Just like the classic "Just Say No" campaign that stopped teenage drug abuse
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Self-driving vehicles should improve things. Most of us will see this shift happen during our lifetime.
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Once upon a time Drivers Education was mandatory to graduate high school and to get a driver's license in Mississippi. People actually seemed to have a concept of how to properly operate a motor vehicle. With the idiots on the road these days and the way they drive it is easy to see the results of dropping that requirement.
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Self-driving vehicles should improve things. Most of us will see this shift happen during our lifetime.

The number of documented accidents happening with test self drive vehicles does not look good for its future. However I too believe that one day it will be a normal mode of transportation. And one day we have colonies on the moon and Mars.
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