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Old 04-17-2004, 04:35 PM   #15
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Difficult.

I don't like disappearing threads or censorship.
I think members that offend others by personal attacks should be barred from posting on the board, period. The moderators might give a warning, but it's hard to see what's going on if threads are simply deleted.
No one here, including myself, should have the right or the opportunity to bash others, regardless of their mistakes or attitudes. I feel that his forum is a privilege to post to, not a basic right.
What starts out as a harmless question ( e.g. "where's twink?") turns into a deleted thread? Because of who? Well, uninvite the members that made the deletion necessary, and it is less likely to ever happen again.
Alright, go ahead and delete this thread, too. I'll get over it.....
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Old 04-18-2004, 04:57 AM   #16
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We do delete threads when they go too far astray,
I have noticed there is a forum "Community Forum" that is an open forum



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I don't think going astray should be reason for deletion, maybe it should just be moved to a more appropriate location! However, if there is bashing going on, well I feel that's another subject altogether!

Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth!
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Old 04-18-2004, 09:02 AM   #17
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The real purpose of the forum is AS info dissemination. It is hard to draw a line on when and where to delete threads. We do keep a fairly narrow focus, but the internet is huge, there are sites for discussing anything and everything; it was decided to maintain this focus and let other sites host other discussions. In a sense it is censorship but not so much to stifle opinions and thoughts but to keep the focus here. As Roger pointed out, there is an out of control atmoshpere on some forums, that is what none of us want. We want to share AS info, have members and guests come here and not have to sort through a ton of totally unrelated garbage, commercial ads, links to unrelated sites, flame wars, etc. A fairly large percentage of the trailers never had a factory service manual, others are shared across several models or hard to understand. We want newbies to be able to ask very basic questions without getting flamed. We want this to be "The Airstream Knowledge Sharing Forum" and try to keep a balance that is friendly and open but still focused.

So where do you draw the line? Make it strictly technical and there is no appeal, there will be little traffic, few questions and fewer answers. OTOH people do have interests other than AS, many of us spend a fair amount of time here and it is a logical place to post ideas and thoughts other than AS. There are many past threads that have no relationship to rving much less AS. 99.99% of these run their course, no big deal. But .01% of the time they will become controversial (that is what I mean by astray, not so much off topic or non AS related), someone takes offense and the problems begin. I understand when a thread disappears it leaves questions as to why, but in just a couple of posts things can change dramatically. IMHO the better action is to delete the thread than remove the post(s) and take the chance they will return when you log off. Part of it is not loosing control now and then try and wrestle it back in 6 months. The forum should not become too free form, it must remain focused if it is to be of value as an actual resource.

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Old 04-18-2004, 09:34 AM   #18
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Rivet ASF.com is not perfect

It is just the best and most comprehensive database of Airstream related information on the web.
It is also a very friendly community of folks who share a common interest in thr RV lifestyle.
I have learned most of everything I know about Airstreams from this free forum and I feel indebted to the administrator, moderators and members who have generously volunteered their time and knowledge. Constant revisions and improvements are making it even more user friendly.
It is not possible to totally please everyone but this Forum stands heads above all others IMHO.
We can nit pick the flaws to death or we can reap the many benefits and enjoy the ride. It's an easy choice for me.
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:28 PM   #19
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I have been gone to a rally so this is my first opportunity to respond to this thread.

There is one issue that John did not mention.

What a first time surfer of the site will think when they come across the types of threads mentioned here.

What will be this person's opinion of the forum of if the threads they read rarely have to do with Airstream's, and Airstreaming, but with hotly debated politics, or the status of a member.

I look at it on a long view. What good is the data that is here, created by the members, if it has all this other stuff that needs to be sorted through?

I admit, life is about more than Airstreaming, and I think having a section about topics other than Airstreams is good, but keeping threads on the forum that in some ways show a very unflattering picture of the members of the forum does nothing positive.

So sometimes, depending on the topic a thread may be deleted after it has run it's course. If there was pertinent information that can be moved to another thread that covers the same type of issue it normally is. But off topic threads like some that were mentioned here will likely end up in the old bit bucket once the thread has run it's course. I would bet in 3 months this one will be gone too. There is just not much of value to the forum, in the long run, in a thread like this.

All forums will have a level of control placed on the postings of members. Some allow instant posting like we are doing now to everyone. But do not allow posts to be edited once they are posted or have a period of time where all members must submit to moderation before they are given the "privilege" to instant post.

To sum it up, the Management/Moderators of the forum will continue to work to keep the forum organized, and as much as possible on topic. Some of the posts may go away, without fanfare, or reason. That goes for information anywhere that the Moderators/Management deems is in the best interest of the Forum at large. That is something you agreed to when you became a member.

To answer the question of why am I even responding to the thread; I was the Moderator that removed two of the three posts in question.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:49 PM   #20
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still worth reading

so how has the forums evolved...

in exactly 3 years?

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Old 04-13-2007, 07:07 PM   #21
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... so how has the forums evolved...
What is your point?

Most people do not recognize the names involved as to whether the individual was good, bad or indifferent.

What is everyone supposed to glean from this thread?

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Old 04-13-2007, 08:23 PM   #22
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I started reading a thread the other day posted by boatdoc about some guys in California desecrating an American flag. I'm assuming it was posted in the off topic forum where anything goes. It was a good thread, right to the end where the last person went on some tirade about it having "what?" to do with airstreams.

When I went to reply, I could not. Apparently the thread had been locked. When I got home from work and tried to find it, it was gone.

OK, it may have nothing to do with Airstreams but it was a thread of substance. But then I saw at least three threads about silly word games. What does Airstream - Squarestream - Moonbeam - Brightgleam etc. have to do with Airstreams other than rhymes? They have no substance. But I didn't raise a fuss about them. I simply skipped them.

I think boatdoc's thread should have stayed. Or if it's going to be banished, then get rid of the word games. Neither of them have any substance related to travel trailers.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:47 PM   #23
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What is everyone supposed to glean from this thread?Tom
exactly.

so perhaps your question is rhetorical...

because the names, individual and judgements of 'good, bad or indifferent' are far removed...

we can focus on glean*ing the kernels of wisdom and forum truths left behind.

the nature of disappearing threads, content that does/doesn't belong here, propose of the forums, and so on...

this that and more, but only for those willing to follow after the reapers...

and find.

* Glean

1.To gather (grain) left behind by reapers.

2.To collect bit by bit: “records from which historians glean their knowledge” (Kemp Malone).

3.The corners of fields were not to be reaped, and the sheaf accidentally left behind was not to be fetched away, according to the law of Moses (Lev. 19:9; 23:22; Deut. 24:21). They were to be left for the poor to glean. Similar laws were given regarding vineyards and olive yards. (Comp. Ruth 2:2.)

“And she went, and came, and gleaned in the field after the reapers.” --Ruth ii. 3.

“Piecemeal they this acre first, then that; Glean on, and gather up the whole estate”. --Pope.

“Content to glean what we can from . . . experiments.”--Locke.

“To glean the broken ears after the man That the main harvest reaps.” --Shak.


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Weird thread, but a good read.

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Old 04-13-2007, 09:44 PM   #25
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We learn that it always isn't what you say but how you say it, but sometimes its not how you say it but what you've said. Sometimes we are left to inquire, while often times we are offered far too much information. Unbeknownst to some their posts speak volumes that might be best not to be published. I don't know, but if threads are gone, maybe I would conclude that those hot button subjects aren't working out real well here on the forum.
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OK, it may have nothing to do with Airstreams but it was a thread of substance. But then I saw at least three threads about silly word games. What does Airstream - Squarestream - Moonbeam - Brightgleam etc. have to do with Airstreams other than rhymes? They have no substance. But I didn't raise a fuss about them. I simply skipped them.
I agree why does the forum have multiple word games going? The weather is nice, go Airstreaming and tell us about the cool new place you went.
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Old 04-14-2007, 04:18 AM   #27
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"Glean" what a great verb!

Thank 2 AIR. Great post. I think the Forum works rather well. The Mods do a good job pruning in my estimation. There is something about email and web sites that allow people to forget themselves at times and say stupid things to others that they would never say face to face. I agree that sometimes the Moderators cut short, remove a thread that I'd rather they let continue. But the end result on this site is a semi organized field of knowlege sharing rather than a jungle.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:19 AM   #28
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I agree why does the forum have multiple word games going? The weather is nice, go Airstreaming and tell us about the cool new place you went.
Two of the current four word games were started when the weather was bad, and there was nothing much you could do with your Airstream. They seem to have taken on a life of their own, and are not rude, crude, vulgar, nor do any of the posts attack anyone personally or professionally. Given the choice between those four threads and one thread about axles, I'll gladly take the word games. The people posting there can post without worry of reprisal from the other posters, and we have several people that started posting in those threads that now are active members in other threads. They likely wouldn't have had the courage to start posting about other subjects if they hadn't gotten their feet wet in those threads.
Now that the weather has started getting nicer (although they are still having snow up North, and severe storms in the south as I write this), I expect those threads to taper off. They will probably pick up again this fall when the weather goes downhill, and people still want to participate here, but have nothing constructive to add.
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