So the moderators in their wisdom have decided to close down the thread formerly known as “Am I being Scammed?”
I’d have thought, on a forum as widely followed as this one, that there would have been more concern for the protection of MEMBERS and less on the reaction of scammers.
Instead of providing a bare bones description of Caveat Emptor perhaps thought should have been given to creating a new topic called SCAMS and SCAMMERS.
Some members did us all a favour by reporting what was not so much misrepresentation as it was STEALING.
It was not a service to members to cut off discussion on this case and about this person.
So the moderators in their wisdom have decided to close down the thread formerly known as “Am I being Scammed?”
I’d have thought, on a forum as widely followed as this one, that there would have been more concern for the protection of MEMBERS and less on the reaction of scammers.
Instead of providing a bare bones description of Caveat Emptor perhaps thought should have been given to creating a new topic called SCAMS and SCAMMERS.
Some members did us all a favour by reporting what was not so much misrepresentation as it was STEALING.
It was not a service to members to cut off discussion on this case and about this person.
Sergei
Sergei, sometimes there are things going on in the forums that we moderators manage to head off before you see them. That was the case in the thread you mentioned.
As a contributor to that thread, I received the last post made to it that you may not have seen. As with the thread's starter, the post was made by someone who opened his/her account simply to post his/her thoughts.
The last post made me question as to whether the thread-starter had actually had a bad time. In other words, I wondered if the the forums collectively had been biased against the vendor in question.
I think the moderators made a good call.
Left up to me I would have left the thread deleted.
Segei,
The moderators pulled the thread because it was headed for a flame war, name calling mess. There are always three sides to every story, his, theirs and the truth. Unfortunately we are not in a position (nor do we want to be) to referee bad deals on this board. The post that TomW refers too was pulled for several reasons. We monitor this board to attempt to keep it as civil as possible, the post this morning was civil on the surface but had too many inconsistencies for our comfort level so it was pulled and the thread locked.
Aaron
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I think the moderators did ok by closing the thread.the same things kept comming up , they were good people, they were crooks.every one kept saying go to the post office and report.ebay says don't send money orders.When I bought a van on ebay. I messaged the seller I'd be there in a certain time with cash. he did not want paypal..he did it my way.for cash. no deposit..
Bob
The mods have done what they think is best. I do not have all of the informationm that they have, but I do support their decision. They have to keep the threads inside of the guidelines that have been created. I would be interested to find out more information (facts) about the deal gone bad and maybe the buyer will post at a later date.
After reading post 52 (Paula), if I was single, I would not date any Itialian girls with brothers and battery cables.
You know, it's a tough call when to take action. IMHO, the point was made and it was clear there was a problem.
Having managed my own forum for a while now, there are just so many things and converstations going on behind the scenes that it's always hard to understand sometimes why things happen the way they do.
In this particular case, I think they did make the right call.
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It was not a service to members to cut off discussion on this case and about this person.
Sergei
The thread in question, while closed, is still visible which IS a service to the membership. It was not completely deleted, just closed for additional posts. This forum can not and will not play referee when it comes to disputes...the pertinate information still stands. Rehashing the same information over and over was not going anywhere productive.
You may not personally agree with the course of action the moderatiors took, however, as stated, you may not have all the information the mods have. For the forum as a whole it was the right decision and it is the way it is...consistantly per the Community Policies we all agree to when becoming a member.
Dealer/Vendor and Sales Disputes:
AirstreamForums.com is not intended to be a mechanism for people to vent frustrations about vendors or sales from private parties. While we respect the fact that some buyers feel that they have issues with the dealer. manufacturer or seller, our community is not the place to carry on a vindictive mud-slinging campaign.
Please settle your differences with the seller, manufacturer and dealer through the long-established legal or arbitration systems or the Better Business Bureau but not through our community.
Happy Posting!
Shari
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As a longtime member observing moderator-shifted threads, posts and members, I always hoped that mods were making the right decisions before I became a mod myself last June. It really doesn't happen very often thank goodness. The deletion of certain posts or closure of a thread will never give membership a chance to appreciate the current facts or history behind a situation. Airstream Forums goes to some length to favor individual input and prevent commercial interests from taking over the experience-based resource you find here.
The facts of oldbaggy's situation have been presented and serve as an object lesson for all. Each of us sometimes make a purchase without perfect information or cannot anticipate the behavior of a seller. Sergei, I am a member first and more members certainly could have expressed further opinion or offered advice in this matter. The closed thread did degenerate quickly this morning as noted by mods Terry, Aaron & Shari. You've just got to take that on trust. There were stronger negatives for continuing in that direction compared to possible further input to the thread starter. I certainly wish that oldbaggy will recoup their deposit, learn and go forward into Airstream ownership. Oldbaggy has opened up a new and continuing communication with this Airstream community. The Airstream Forums resource is now very well known to him and I would believe he is better equipped to go forward.
'Nuff said. Back to the boards for me. Chat Night Tonight!
The moderators have been moderate in their response and forthcoming with information.
I appreciate that and thank them.
I accept that they used their best judgment, having been privy to postings that the general membership had not seen.
Shari makes the point that the original post, up until it was closed, will still be available. I hadn’t realized that and I’m glad to hear it.
Shari also reprinted a portion of the Community Policies. I acknowledge that we accept these when we join and I think we need to have rules, especially if moderators are to moderate.
If I have re-opened our discussion, let me offer this view: scams are a different thing than are sales disputes.
Con men (or women) infiltrate our psyche to gain our trust. In the age of the Internet they can anonymously masquerade as fully participating members of a forum to work their devious schemes.
The Better Business Bureau was an idea more suitable to the pre-internet world. In the real world of our forum a topic called SCAMS and SCAMMERS might be very useful.
I, for one, have trust that our moderators will know the difference between something needing dispute resolution and something needing a warning to the membership, if not a call to the authorities.
This would fit under this thread's title but is a different thread than the one before mentioned.
I have always wondered why this thread was closed and if it was necessary to be closed. Did the mods make the right decision? It always seemed rather ambiguous. Not like a particular unspecified gender doesn't often go off topic about beer.
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