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Old 03-12-2007, 04:43 AM   #1
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Arrow Defeated or challenged?

Good morning fellow members;
I believe that time has come for me to admit that that my time schedule has me tethering smack in the middle of defeated and highly challenged. It is middle of March, and my busy season is at my doorstep. I have come to realize that my Argosy may not see the road this summer. Because of some additional projects this past winter such as building a custom air boat, has put me behind the schedule with my trailer.
At this point the shell was installed on the new SS frame. Floor is 1/2" aluminum clad on both sides, joined by aluminum H channel and 3M 5200 adhesive. Outside cut edges were soaked with GIT ROT and encapsulated by aluminum formed C channel with 3M 5200 for adhesive. Black tank was installed below the floor, but is not plumbed in. Broken door hinge was re welded and re manufactured to original shape. Door was sprung back to seal properly. All new plumbing vents are in place on top of the roof. Air vents were reconditioned painted and resealed with new gaskets. All windows frames were cleaned, repaired and new gaskets installed. All wiring was strung into proper places. All interior was insulated with Prodex. 1/2" strips of rigid urethane glued onto inside of exterior skin provide an air space. Prodex was then glued with 3M 4200 to the strips, the edges of Prodex were wrapped along the ribs to meet the inner skin and sealed with 4200. My SS wheel wells, need to be insulated yet. The new battery access hatch was built and installed but the SS rubber lined battery housing still needs to be built. Trailer side of the wiring is complete. Exterior needs to be painted.

Then we come to the interior. All interior skins need to be cleaned installed and painted. My plans are to build a aluminum frame wrap around gaucho from the right side of the door across the front windows and all the way to the fridge on the street side. Over the street side wheels, a aluminum framed pull out bed with two 32" mattresses side by side when set up for the night needs to be built. Our intention is to replace all interior plywood with lighter shade of finish. Above the floor, gray water tank still needs to be built. under kitchen sink area. Tub and bathroom sink water, will be pumped up to the gray tank from a collector box under the floor which will house a macerating type pump head and one way check valve. Gray water will be used to flush the black tank after dumping it. Curb side directly across from the bed will not have overhead storage to make a head room to walk by, when the bed is in open position. There is still so much to do that my head hurts, but being the perfectionist as I am, I hate to start cutting corners just to get it done for this season. I am sure I would hate myself for it. My problem is shop space. My business has priority and often we have unfinished jobs on the boats left over night in the shop, and it is a hassle shifting things around so that I could bring the AS for a couple of hours at night. Now, with more daylight hours I will try to do what I can outside, but I feel that my schedule was defeated by time. How many of you would be disappointed with me if I failed to complete it this spring? I refuse to cut corners and my wife Kay claims that she will not be upset if it is not done.
As much as I hate to let her down for the first time ever, the thought of it has me going crazy and not willing to give up trying. I would like to know what would you do in if you were in my shoes. Thanks, "Boatdoc"

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Old 03-12-2007, 05:07 AM   #2
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Not defeated! You've accomplished much on a huge job. The only alternative for getting it done this year would require being independently wealthy and retired. You earn my respect by honoring your customers and giving priority to getting them ready for spring. I still hope you manage to get to a rally or three!


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Old 03-12-2007, 06:29 AM   #3
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Good Morning Boatdoc,

First let me say that the job you have already done is impressive! I admire your talent to be able to do this. I will share with you the saying that I grew up with, "Anything worth doing is worth doing right". No matter how long it takes you to complete you will be better satisfied if it is done right. A few years down to the road the time taken will be forgotten but if you hurry through the process there will be a constant reminder of what you would have done differently had you done it as you orginally intended. Take your time, do it right, and be proud of your accomplishments.

For what it's worth, my 2 cents,

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Old 03-12-2007, 07:23 AM   #4
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Hey Boatdoc,

Just who is it that's holding a gun to your head to finish your project? If you're a perfectionist like I am, don't sweat the schedule and let it go. Finish it when you have the time and take care of your customers and your bank account first!!!! The trailer will still be there when you can get back to it!

And look at it this way..........You might even have a chance to see some refinement of your plans while the project is waiting for you to resume work. This would be a good thing!!!

I told this to Sergei (Smokeless Joe) and I'll tell you the same thing: Stick with your plan and don't worry about the schedule. You only get one chance to do it right the first time!!!!!

Great job so far! Don't rush it just to get it done.....................
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:32 AM   #5
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Dry Camp!

I've got a one year old Airstream and I'm not DONE working on it.

Boatdoc, you'll never be "done". There will always be one more little project...

Relax and do it at a pace that allows you to do it right. Get it in shape so that you can take it out, even if you have to dry camp and sleep on an air mattress on the floor. If we meet at a rally I'll gladly let you shower (or whatever) in mine. Enjoy it while you're working on it and when you've gotten it to 99% done.

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Old 03-12-2007, 07:41 AM   #6
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I would only be "disappointed" if you started to unnecessarily cut corners. You're better than that.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:42 AM   #7
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Boatdock, busy schedule is good it keeps the Airstream dollars comming in. I hope your Argosy is close by your work space so you can go out with chair. Sit down inside her and have a cup of coffee. I've found that a 10 minute camping trip can work wonders. Besides "You might be an Airstreamer if"
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:53 AM   #8
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Slow down and make it a hobby. There are already plenty of unfinished restorations where the owner tried to do too much, burned out, and ended up abandoning the project.

Leave some of the finish details for those rainy days once you're on the road.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:55 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by boatdoc
I would like to know what would you do in if you were in my shoes. Thanks, "Boatdoc"
Give up, admit defeat tow the trailer to New Orleans and give the trailer to Jim.

Thanks Jim
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:05 AM   #10
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Boatdoc, please don't cut corners just to complete your project - you'll regret it in the long run. I certainly have felt discouraged at times during our restorations. One thing that helped me was to do one thing each day, even if it was a tiny task. I remember being greatly encouraged by the installation of a towel bar! Good luck to you and keep coming back here for encouragement if you need it!
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:46 AM   #11
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Hey Don't give up. just look at it as a reflection time. just pondering what the next step in profection is.Now as my granddad would say , "pity party over get your butt back to work".well you'll have it done by next spring.
Good luck and keep us posted,
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:13 AM   #12
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Doc, Doc, Doc

Have you been cutting thru some galvanized material with your gas axe and sniffin the fumes?
You're old enough to know that you can not pull your AS thru some drive thru and "voila"
I've got a few bottles of wine I'm watching, been watching for a few years. I know they will be better in a few more years.
So you got a small bump in the road, no biggie.
You have customers,nice wife,lots of good things going your way.
And just think, carbon will be more available in the near future!
So slow down, I'm not in a hurry to see you give up on your rig. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other, it'll get done. And you will have plenty of time to use it. DG

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Old 03-12-2007, 09:40 PM   #13
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I think everyone has given you great advise. At work I have a project which has been given the name Titanic for several reasons. It will get done, but I can't let it get me down. Here is what I found one day on my wall, if nothing else, it's funny!
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Old 03-12-2007, 11:55 PM   #14
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The 90-10 rule applies!

BoatDoc -

Remember that the 90-10 rule applies. Your planning/ hoping/ wishing to get 90% of the work done TODAY! Your LIKELY to get 10% of it done. If you are lucky.

Like I tell my son Max, when we are in the TV heading for somewhere when he asks, "Are we there yet?" "We're 1 mile CLOSER!!!!" & "We get there, when we get there!"

You'll "get there" AND you're "a mile closer" than you were this morning when you got up and had that 1st cuppa joe.....

Keep on keepin' on....

It's all the sweeter when you DO get there.


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