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Old 10-01-2006, 09:10 PM   #29
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Disagree. Handsfree makes a huge difference. Smokers, people who read, people who text, people who put on makeup while driving are bigger problems than safe drivers using handsfree.
Can't find the link, but a study showed that handsfree made at best a marginal difference. IIRC the words were statistically insignificant. People in general need to quit all the crap they are doing and pay attention to driving. Problem is we have made the roads so safe that people no longer have to think to drive...

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Old 10-02-2006, 12:34 PM   #30
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No matter which side of this issue you stand on, there ARE the idiots out there and I thought you may enjoy this link.

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Old 10-02-2006, 12:46 PM   #31
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or trying to avoid a coyote.
Never try to avoid anything small enough you can hit it without consequence. I'd rather bump off a coyote than end up in the ditch with my trailer. Besides, since they got my cat, I owe them one
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:59 PM   #32
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I'm told that Georgia passed a law that went into effect 7/1/06 that makes it illegal to use a cell phone and drive unless you are using hands free. However, I think I am the only one in metro-Atlanta who does. Even with my Blue Tooth, which I only use to answer calls, not make them, talking on the cell phone is more distracting than talking to someone in the car with me. Funny how that is.
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Old 10-02-2006, 01:27 PM   #33
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...talking on the cell phone is more distracting than talking to someone in the car with me. Funny how that is.
Its because a person in the car with you can see what you can see. They, too, are aware of the driving situation you are in, and can see when you're "busy", and when you're not...something comes up, they stop talking. They unconsciously fit conversation in between the driving "happenings".
The person on the other end of a cell phone can't see whats going on in the car, and just yaks away. We have rules of etiquette that we stick to unconsciouly, which force us to pay more attention to the conversation than we should. It wouldn't be polite to say "stop, gotta drive". so we don't. well, I do...I just drop the phone.
I've seen those road test examples, and I don't think they're realistic, for that reason. they "force" someone to maintain a conversation while negotiating a course. and the person on the other end has the driver doing heavy math equations, while the course people are hurling obstacles into the road...If it was me, I just wouldn't do it. drop the phone. I mean that litterally. the whole point is that you shouldn't attempt to do both things at once. 1 thing has priority at all times.
as for the "flying" stuff that firefly mentioned...I've thought about that, too, and its different than driving. yeah, we have to talk and fly...but we don't have to be moving at high speed within a few inches of someone else. its ok if we drift off course or altitude for a bit, while we're fumbling with a map or talking to a controller. we don't do that on short final in heavy weather, though. AND we're all brought up with the mantra "aviate, navigate, communicate...in that order!!!" (at least, I hope we are). talk "when able". never otherwise. Heck, I learned to fly in an airplane that had no radios. People (pilots, too!) often hear that, and say, "is that even legal?? ".
Anyway, the rags are full of anecdotes about pilots who have suffered the same fate, because they felt compelled to chat with some controller about their issue, rather than act on it. or entire crews that had their noses burried in guages, without someone looking out the F$%#ing window. So we're not immune to the same syndrome "up there", either.
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Old 10-02-2006, 01:53 PM   #34
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When I was in the Air Force I got to ride back seat in several formation flights (T-38s). We were going around 300 MPH and had only a few feet of seperation with the next plane. The lead plane was the only one on the radio and his messages were very short. Things like turning, leveling etc were the only communications.
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Yeah, if you think about the fact that we are zipping along within feet of each other at 55-80mph, it's amazing we don't have more accidents as it is. Throw in something distracting that takes a hand off the wheel and mind off the road, and it's obvious how dangerous that is.

I do talk on the phone while driving, but only if there is nothing else going on around me (at a stop light, on an empty road), and only to give a short message and get back off again. If those things don't apply, I'd rather pull over than risk an accident, and I have done that. Most of the time I don't travel with a cell at all.
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Generally, I don't give out my cell number. It comes from having one for 17 years now and back in the day when each minute cost $.29-49/minute to talk on it. There just wasn't anyone other than my wife worth that much to talk to.

Yes, I will answer the phone because it is usually my wife on the rare occassions that it rings. That is why the phone stays in my brief case and I put my Blue Tooth in my ear in the parking deck and take it out in the drive way. It is safer, IMHO, to just push the answer button on the Blue Tooth than to dig the phone out and look at the caller i.d. to see if it is my wife...and we all know we have to answer that call Even then, I'd say the average length of our calls are 1-2 minutes max.

I'm just not a talk on the phone kind of guy. But I do keep one for emergencies and occassional business calls when I'm away from the office. I pull off of the road into a parking lot so I can have my hands free to hold my planner to take notes and look at my PDA's calendar or address book. But to carry on a personal chit chat sesson and drive down the road, forget it. My life and the lives of the people around me are more important than discussing the football game over the week end.
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Never try to avoid anything small enough you can hit it without consequence. I'd rather bump off a coyote than end up in the ditch with my trailer. Besides, since they got my cat, I owe them one
I know that's true intellectually, but I've never been able to stop myself from swerving around critters. Probably never will. But I drive slower & slower as I age. Turns out that driving the speed limit is kinda peaceful!
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Since diesel prices hit the sky, I listened to the gurus who testified that optimum mileage falls at speeds of 55-60 mph. I insist on that in my truck, whoever is driving, that's the speed at which we tow, and, like you, I've found it's really kinda peaceful to tool along at 55 while the world careens past me tending to whatever is driving them. No cell, no high speed, life on the road gets sweeter . . .and safer! ~G
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We actually just about came to a stop the other day as a coyote ran out in front of us and began running down the road in front of us so we were essentially chasing him. A honk finlly got him off the road and back into the pasture. I wouldn't have the heart to run over something on purpose (though as my husband said, that one was really asking for it), but I never swerve unless it's something big enough to cause damage (like a deer). Of course, that's another benefit of not speeding, you can usually slow down to avoid hitting things without swerving.

I agree, taking it easy is the way to go. Too many people have forgotten where the brake pedal is
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Illegal

In California, and probably other states as well, it is OK to slow down for an animal, but illegal to swerve to miss one.
One bad thing about hitting your brakes is, the nose of your vehicle dips - not a good thing if the animal is at hood level.
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