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Old 07-18-2005, 03:52 PM   #1
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Now that we are traveling more, I've been looking at cell phone plans.

See if I understand this right....You get a bluetooth enabled phone, and with the laptop (and Airport card), I can dial into our ISP in Durango on the unlimited nights and weekends.
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We use verizon, all that is required is a data capable phone, a mobile office kit (phone to compter cable and software), a plan which allows data connection.

There is an internet by cell phone yahoo group which has good information.
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Scrap, you need to make sure that the Bluetooth phone you get supports the Dial-Up Networking Profile. You also need to be in a service area that has data coverage as well, like EDGE, GPRS or Vision. Do they have that in Silverton? I'm pretty sure that Sprint doesn't have Vision down there, but I'll confirm when I'm down there next week.
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TREO 600 / Cingular Data Plan

I use the TREO 600 with Cingular with 600 minutes for $49.99 w/ Rollover, and the Data Plan (Media Works) @ $19.99 for unlimited data. With the TREO and PDANet software (a one time $30) you connect at 57k via the cell phone just about anywhere. Check www.cingular.com for coverage. Also, the phone can connect via pop3 to your internet provider for email and it has a browser also, so you can check you forums portal throughout the day on the go! It works nice.

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"PLENTY of technologies can get you online wirelessly these days, but there's always a catch. Wi-Fi Internet hot spots are fast and cheap, but they keep you tethered to the airport, hotel or coffee shop where the hot spot originates. A Bluetooth cellphone can get your laptop online, but at the speed of a slug. And smoke signals - well, you know. The privacy issues are a nightmare.

But for the laptop lugger with an expense account, there may be another option. It's a relatively new cellular data network called C.D.M.A. 1xEV-DO, which, as you surely knew, stands for Code Division Multiple Access Evolution-Data Only. No wonder Verizon Wireless, the earliest and largest adopter of this technology, just calls it the BroadbandAccess plan..."
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The blue tooth is secondary. If you have a laptop with Bluetooth then the phone will connect to it without needing a cable. Blue tooth is simply a wireless way of joining two or more electronic devices. Think of it as an invisible cable.

You will not need to connect to your ISP. You will be connected to the Internet through Cingular as a ISP.

Now most of the phones that are capable of "EDGE" (high-speed wireless data feature) happen to have bluetooth.

I work for Cingular and up till just a few months ago I was a sales person. Before that I repaired Phones.

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I use the TREO 600 with Cingular with 600 minutes for $49.99 w/ Rollover, and the Data Plan (Media Works) @ $19.99 for unlimited data. With the TREO and PDANet software (a one time $30) you connect at 57k via the cell phone just about anywhere. Check www.cingular.com for coverage. Also, the phone can connect via pop3 to your internet provider for email and it has a browser also, so you can check you forums portal throughout the day on the go! It works nice.
Technically your not suppose to use "Media Works" on the treo. It will however work but your not suppose to know that. You are suppose to be on a $44.99 data connect package for the Treo. Judging from the plans you quoted The Media Works plan has changed. You may have the plan with Unlimited Media. Thats' no longer available.

The new Media works plan does not have the unlimited. You can however get Media Net Unlimited for $19.99 It is unlimited Media but it does not include the Multi Media and Text messaging stuff that the old Media works plan did. And your not suppose to know that it will probably let you connect a laptop via either Bluetooth or a data connect cable if you laptop doesn't have Bluetooth. .Your really suppose to use a Data card.

Once the EDGE system gets filled in you will start seeing faster line speed. If you are close to a tower you could see speeds as fast as 100k. In my current roll I am handling the tower equipment. UMTS is the next big thing. And I am already seeing it. This is 2.5 and 3G stuff. This will probably get to 150-175k line speeds (DSL speed). Larger cities are starting to deploy but it will be a couple more years before wide coverage is available. This new technology you will start to see Data cards that will automatically try to find a WIFI port then if its not available it will hit the Wireless connection.

What the future may one day hold is your ISP and electronic entertainment will totally base off your phone. When you walk out of your house you will grab your phone and take your ISP connection with you. It will connect via bluetooth to your desk top or laptop once you get within 30ft of it. It will probably also provide your entertainment. Your TV will get its signal from your phone. You may well be watching the news on your phone as you walk into your home and it will click on your TV when you walk in the door and tune to the same channel.


Think that sounds a long way off?

I already use "Mobi TV". I can watch live streaming Video on my Nokia 6620. http://www.mobitv.com/
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59toast,

Nothing personal, but I'd just like a reliable signal. I hope Cingular does a better job than AT&T did, but a friend of mine who lives at the bottom of the hill from what was an ATT tower and is now Cingular, just got his 'upgraded' Cingular phone package, and his signal went from strong to weak. My signal can go from 4 bars to zero just sitting on my couch. I understand that what matters is that the majority of customers have good service, but it is annoying nonetheless.

I think reliable wireless cellular internet in America is a long way off.

I also found it interesting that Cingular apparently cripples services in the name of selling their customers more products that they don't really need to get the system to work:
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Technically your not suppose to use "Media Works" on the treo. It will however work but your not suppose to know that.
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And your not suppose to know that it will probably let you connect a laptop via either Bluetooth or a data connect cable if you laptop doesn't have Bluetooth. .Your really suppose to use a Data card.
Realistically, yes, I find all of Cingular's digtal wonders a long way off, but I appreciate your honesty regarding your employer's business practices.

I will continue to allow Cingular to rip me off for now, because they are the only carrier right now with a signal at my house, unreliable as it is. 2 years ago it was Verizon, and briefly, Nextel. Apparently they are all eager to sign up subscribers, but not so keen on upgrading their transmission hardware, so the signal drops off, and we have to switch.
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Nothing personal, but I'd just like a reliable signal. I hope Cingular does a better job than AT&T did, but a friend of mine who lives at the bottom of the hill from what was an ATT tower and is now Cingular, just got his 'upgraded' Cingular phone package, and his signal went from strong to weak. My signal can go from 4 bars to zero just sitting on my couch. I understand that what matters is that the majority of customers have good service, but it is annoying nonetheless.

I think reliable wireless cellular internet in America is a long way off.

I also found it interesting that Cingular apparently cripples services in the name of selling their customers more products that they don't really need to get the system to work:
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Realistically, yes, I find all of Cingular's digtal wonders a long way off, but I appreciate your honesty regarding your employer's business practices.

I will continue to allow Cingular to rip me off for now, because they are the only carrier right now with a signal at my house, unreliable as it is. 2 years ago it was Verizon, and briefly, Nextel. Apparently they are all eager to sign up subscribers, but not so keen on upgrading their transmission hardware, so the signal drops off, and we have to switch.
I don't understand what you mean by crippling service.

It all comes down to planned use. The reason the old media works plan was changed is two fold. It was a Promo to get people interested in the service. It still cost money to provide the service. DATA still eats bandwidth. The Unlimited regular data plans are targeted for being used with just the hand held device. A hand held device doesn't move huge amounts of data like a laptop would. So thats why there are different billing plans for data. If you are going to use a laptop they known you are going to use a lot more data stream in the process.

So lets put it this way. You own a house and have a water spigot at the corner of your property. Your neighbor wants to use it to fill a dog bowl because its close to his dog pen and offers you a couple bucks a month to do so. You agree.

You com home one day and find same neighbor filling his new 20,000 gallon in ground swimming pool off your spigot .....would you bill differently?

By the logic you just made ....its the same pipe so there should be no change in billing price even if your using 1000 times more volume then the original agreement was designed for even though it caused the provider higher expense.


I had 256 Million dollars "Thats not a mis print" worth of NEW cell tower equipment come through where I now work in the last 12 months. That was just for the state of GA. Cingular is building hand over fist to become the country's best coverge.

That said building new towers is tough. On average it takes 1.5 years to get through the zoning fights. Seems everybody wants a pegged signal but nobody wants to let carries build towers to provide it. Buying AT&T was how Cingular added hundreds of towers to their system.
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I don't understand what you mean by crippling service.
You spelled it out quite eloquently yourself:
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And your not suppose to know that it will probably let you connect a laptop via either Bluetooth or a data connect cable if you laptop doesn't have Bluetooth. .Your really suppose to use a Data card.
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It all comes down to planned use. The reason the old media works plan was changed is two fold. It was a Promo to get people interested in the service. It still cost money to provide the service. DATA still eats bandwidth. The Unlimited regular data plans are targeted for being used with just the hand held device. A hand held device doesn't move huge amounts of data like a laptop would. So thats why there are different billing plans for data. If you are going to use a laptop they known you are going to use a lot more data stream in the process.
So why didn't they just charge more for the service after they got enough people hooked, instead of "enhancing" it by adding unnecessary software (or maybe this is hardware?) to fool consumers into thinking they are getting something better? If it was promotional, then I am sure that was spelled out when people signed up.
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So lets put it this way. You own a house and have a water spigot at the corner of your property. Your neighbor wants to use it to fill a dog bowl because its close to his dog pen and offers you a couple bucks a month to do so. You agree.

You com home one day and find same neighbor filling his new 20,000 gallon in ground swimming pool off your spigot .....would you bill differently?

By the logic you just made ....its the same pipe so there should be no change in billing price even if your using 1000 times more volume then the original agreement was designed for even though it caused the provider higher expense.
By my logic, my friend's service should be the same, whether the tower is owned by AT&T or Cingular. As it is, his signal was cut in half.
Also, a company should meet the demands of the customer base it has built:
By your logic, my water spigot should be filling the water dishes for 20,000 dogs. I didn't sign up with Cingular to get broadband or anything of the sort - I signed up for simple phone service. One dog, one bowl. Except Cingular signed up 20,000 of us, without taking into consideration that we might want our bowls filled. It isn't as if, like with your pool analogy, that I signed up for phone service, then hijacked Cingular's tower so I could provide wireless T3 speeds for myself and the entire area that tower services. That is ridiculous.
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I had 256 Million dollars "Thats not a mis print" worth of NEW cell tower equipment come through where I now work in the last 12 months. That was just for the state of GA. Cingular is building hand over fist to become the country's best coverge.

That said building new towers is tough. On average it takes 1.5 years to get through the zoning fights. Seems everybody wants a pegged signal but nobody wants to let carries build towers to provide it. Buying AT&T was how Cingular added hundreds of towers to their system.
I am in line of sight of a Cingular tower 5 miles away. This tower is big/tall enough that I can see it from my house, plus it is on a hill. A tower that large ought to have the capability to get a signal to me. As a matter of fact, it has in the past. Lack of towers is not the issue.

Again, please don't take this personally - it isn't just your company, my beef is with all large companies like Cingular who either don't know that their customers are being slighted because there is no way to tell them, or they don't care that 50,000 customers are getting slighted, because 15 million customers 150 miles away in Los Angeles are satisfied, and that is the bottom line for them. They don't care if we're happy, they want those all Angelenos driving through here to Las Vegas to have a signal.

What if the electric company said everybody in Atlanta can use all the elctricity they want, folks in Athens can run their refrigerator and a TV (but no more!), and people in unincorporated areas can use a 60 watt bulb. But everybody pays the same flat rate for their electricity? The rollover for the rural folks would be tremendous but moot, after all, a 60 watt bilb is still a 60 watt bulb.
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If they have equipment problems or system complaints Cingular is allowing breaks in contracts without reprisal. They are also allowing former AT&T customers to become a full fledge Cingular Customer without any credit checks or anything else. New agreement and pick your phone.


Cingulars policy is if you are not happy with your service you can break contracts the 1st 30 and all you have to pay is for what you used and the $25 processing fee. There will not be a multi hundred dollar bill back in that first 30 days...PERIOD. If you are told differently call Corporate. 1 866 Cingular

The service the previous AT&T customers lost may be because they are using old equipment. The TDMA systems is fading VERY fast. The AT&T TDMA system in many areas are slatted to be turned off very soon. If your friend is using TDMA thats why their service is suffering. If they are a GSM subscriber they need to call Cingular. Their service should not have changed and in most larger urban area it should have improved.


Here is why it might not have. The phones carry information that tells it what systems to use. That information is remotely updatability. This is called IRDB (Intelligent Roaming Data Base). On Cingular its suppose to be automatic. On Verizon you have to call a number that will down load it.

Its carried on the SIM (Subscriber Information Module) in a GSM (global System Mobile...the world standard) product. If for some reason the phone doesn't catch that update it will cause a conflict in the phone. The system will tell the phone to use a tower in a channel hand off. That tower according to its data base is a competitor (because it still has old AT&T data). Like any good computer...garbage in garbage out. Its a conflict. It rolls over plays dead and drops the call.

A couple years back both Cingular and AT&T went from a 32k SIM to a 64K SIM. That larger capacity was for a larger IRDB load. It will be marked on the SIM what it is. If its a 32k it needs to be swapped out to a 64K.

Lastly....AT&T was very hard core using what is known as SOC (System operator code). The phone was coded to a network....theirs. Some of those phones it is impossible to reverse that. Cingular has done as much as they can to work around that.
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...If they have equipment problems or system complaints Cingular is allowing breaks in contracts without reprisal. They are also allowing former AT&T customers to become a full fledge Cingular Customer without any credit checks or anything else. New agreement and pick your phone.....
Hmmm... on the face of things cingular sounds like an OK bunch of folks. But for us ATT customers who were sold to them, it has not been good. In my household we have 3 cell phones and numbers. 2 months before the "big improvement" we all purchased new gsm phones as our digital phones were aging. In the Northwest gsm coverage rots, there are dead spots - lots of 'em. (Sigh)

The bigger problem is that Cingular insists that if any one of us needs/wants to upgrade a phone we will all have to. They tell us that cingular phones are different - not just the sim cards. They still sell 2 of the 3 models we purchased - so this seems just a little bizarre.

Not a happy customer - here... but don't see an alternative.
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Truth be known, All cell phone companies are at the same point the old Ma Bell system was just before it was taken apart.
They are abusive, expensive, they stop inovation, and they require people to purchase un-needed equipment to increase revenues.
Their is "no" technical reason that requires someone to only purchase phones from the cellular service provider.
Ma Bell use to rent phones because they also said any other phone would cause damage to their system. False statement then and false statement now.
Phones that work on any system in the world can be purchased from second party suppliers, and they will work just fine. But if you listen to the network suppliers they are the only people who know how a cell system works.
I would be willing to bet that there are not any cellular providers in the US who build their own phones or cell site equipment.
They purchase their equipment just like any individule could purchase.
To be frank about the situation the US is way behind the rest of the world in cellular technology and service. This is a well documented in many trade journals.
It is time that our lawmakers act on our behalf just like they did with the Bell system back in the 70's.
Take them apart, open up phone sales, increase compitition and reduce costs.
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The service the previous AT&T customers lost may be because they are using old equipment. The TDMA systems is fading VERY fast. The AT&T TDMA system in many areas are slatted to be turned off very soon. If your friend is using TDMA thats why their service is suffering. If they are a GSM subscriber they need to call Cingular.
Let me elucidate:
My friend just got his new Cingular phone package about a week ago, including a new phone. His signal was halved. Yes, he has called Cingular. They tried to sell him a different phone. A week old phone isn't that old, really.

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Once again you have handily reinforced my complaint:
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...they don't care that 50,000 customers are getting slighted, because 15 million customers 150 miles away in Los Angeles are satisfied, and that is the bottom line for them.
Thanks for your support. Perhaps you could bring this up with your bosses.
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