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Old 11-13-2007, 03:59 PM   #43
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I don't care if global warming is real, natural, imagined, or man made. A lot of the things you do by conserving are just good things to do. It makes sense not to live in a wasteful way. You can often save yourself money, and put your efforts into living more simply, and find a more meaningful existence in doing so. Buying locally supports people in your own community. You can build relationships with the people you buy from instead of dealing with a faceless conglomerate.

Conserving saves your energy bill. Recycling reduces your garbage bill. Growing your own food is healthy, a good physical activity, and reduces your grocery bill. Driving less or ride-sharing or having a more economical car reduces your gas bill.

If it takes global warming, real or not, to make people think about how they live and make changes for the better, then it's a good thing. The scientists can continue studying and debating the causes. We still benefit. We don't have to go overboard and give up things we love, like Airstreaming. However other changes ion everyday life can offset the splurge of our favorite hobby.
I do all of these things(I had a third of an acre garden this year, however it costs me more to recycle/it's an added charge), thats just conservation and being frugal, both of which I am a big believer in.

It is wrong however to scam or fraudulently represent something that is simply not true. This is being used to scare people into voting a certain way and so they can say anybody who disagrees with them are crazy so people won't listen to them. It's just wrong to lie to people, ends do not justify the means(the number one guy on the global warming front is one of the most wasteful humans on the planet and could care less about his or anyone elses carbon footprint, he cares about his acuisition of power and popularity and now he's in good company as a nobel lauriate right up there with Castro). I don't need anybody to tell me how to live smart, conserve or keep mother earth clean and beautiful.

Because of "environmentalists" ( not real environmental conservationists) we now have toilets that usually need to be flushed twice which ends up using more water than the old ones did that actually worked as designed. They also kept firefighters and conservationists from cleaning out underbrush and dead plants, foilage and trees that became super fuel to the California fires (this is allowed across the border in Mexico and they are able to contain their fires when they happen). They have also kept us from building nuclear energy facilities which would drastically help conserve fossil fuels and end our dependance on foreign oil, as well as stopped mining which would allow for more clean burning coal technology further decreasing our dependancy on foreign oil. In their zeal to save us from ourselves they often cause more harm than good.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:04 PM   #44
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Okay, I better quit before my warning meter goes postal. I do however love a good spirited debate and I hold no malice toward anyone no matter what your stance. Have a beautiful carbon free day.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:23 PM   #45
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we now have toilets that usually need to be flushed twice which ends up using more water than the old ones did that actually worked as designed
On that note and FWIW: Check out the Vacuity brand toilets. They use less water AND they actually flush the first time. Fewer plunger opportunities, too. Plunging is different than normal, not hard, just different. Plunging how-to is on their website and not in the box, for some reason. We've had one for a couple of months now and are very satisfied.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:56 PM   #46
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On that note and FWIW: Check out the Vacuity brand toilets. They use less water AND they actually flush the first time. Fewer plunger opportunities, too. Plunging is different than normal, not hard, just different. Plunging how-to is on their website and not in the box, for some reason. We've had one for a couple of months now and are very satisfied.
Thanks, I'll check them out. It's kinda of funny I have a friend who, well, lets say thinks differently than me and he is always b@#$%ing about how that stupid toilet always gets clogged and he has to flush it 2 or 3 times and hope the plunger doesn't have to come out as well. I'll send him your toilet info as well, I'm sure he'll be greatful.
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Thanks mrmossyone. Very well stated. LJH
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Another way to look at it

A few years ago I went to a conference on "Creating Global Sustainability" at, of all places, Disneyland .

One analogy I picked up has stuck: Another way to measure energy use is calories. The average 3rd world person burns up an intake of calories equivalent to a dolphin. The average european burns up calories equivalent to a pilot whale. The average American on the average burns up the equvalent number of calories as a blue whale, the largest living creature on earth .

Ever notice at Disneyland you never see garbage? All the garbage is disposed of out of sight on an underground conveyor system so the visitors don't have to look at it .
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Isn't paying for a carbon credit a way of relieving guilt?

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I scored a 10.5 and I haven't started to travel yet .I drive 9,000 miles /year .I live in a rural area .I said that my electric bill was 150/month and my heating was 100/month. @ $3.00/ gal that not much oil.I guess I should sell my house and live in the trailer .
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Interesting. We have 2 cars, a Toyota Pruis and the TV, a 2006 Expedition.

Using the Toyota we get 4.5 and the Expedition gives us 8.88. All else being the same except for mileage. Since we are both retired, the Toyota gets about 12K per year and is used most of the time. The Ford about 10K as a second car and as the TV.

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If one can use carbon credits sold by someone offsetting carbon, I reckon I should be able to sell credits for the beer I no longer drink, maybe more if I give up soda, that is a lot of co2...or maybe just for not driving my diesel....hmmm, just a thought.
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<speaking as a moderator> I don't care about political correctness, only about the Community Rules


Try not to drag either of those things into this, please
(1) Stop and think about it,Every thing in life has something to do with politics and/or religion.

(2) Why do we alway think $ will solve any problem?If only I had more $ I to could buy carbon credits just like the BIG BOYS do.

(3) Was I politicaly correct?
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This is one of the threads that would be fun to view again in 10 years. Most quote experts, both the liberal and conservitive, acknowledge that between now and 2040 will have reached or pasted the peak output of oil available on this planet.
That said we are a bit late on finding an alternative for my TV, and I do believe we will come up with an alternative at some point.
Interesting time in history right now.
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