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Old 11-17-2008, 08:55 PM   #57
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Lets fire anyone making over 200,000 a year and then bail them out!


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I didn't read the whole thread, so apologize if this was covered. I try to buy American, but also want quality, so sometimes its a Japanese Tundra, or French Vodka, thankfully we have many great American Beers, my local pub even runs specials on "American Draft" which includes Sierra Nevada and Fat Tire as well as Bud.
I bought Detroit Trucks for years. But I got tired of the poor quality, and I feel comfortable buying a Toyota designed and built in the USA. There is a lot of talk about the union and it making things affordable for the big 3. I know that the CEO of Toyota makes a fraction of what the CEO of Ford or GM make. The executive ranks make huge bonuses at these companies that by all rights should be bankrupt. I think it would be very interesting to see a break down of costs for a Chevy 1500 compared to the Tundra. Material, Floor Labor, Design Labor, Executive Labor, CEO Salary, Board of Directors Compensation, and Dividends paid. I am guessing the greatest disparity would end up somewhere other than Floor Labor. I think I will go have a glass of Knob Creek and call it a night.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:03 PM   #58
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About Labor Costs

I heard on the news today the average hourly rate for the big three is 40+ dollars an hour with benefits, and the average for Toyota in the US is 30+ an hour.

Yes, the labor unions are part of the problem, as I see it.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:10 PM   #59
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I didn't read the whole thread, so apologize if this was covered. I try to buy American, but also want quality, so sometimes its a Japanese Tundra, or French Vodka, thankfully we have many great American Beers, my local pub even runs specials on "American Draft" which includes Sierra Nevada and Fat Tire as well as Bud.
I bought Detroit Trucks for years. But I got tired of the poor quality, and I feel comfortable buying a Toyota designed and built in the USA. There is a lot of talk about the union and it making things affordable for the big 3. I know that the CEO of Toyota makes a fraction of what the CEO of Ford or GM make. The executive ranks make huge bonuses at these companies that by all rights should be bankrupt. I think it would be very interesting to see a break down of costs for a Chevy 1500 compared to the Tundra. Material, Floor Labor, Design Labor, Executive Labor, CEO Salary, Board of Directors Compensation, and Dividends paid. I am guessing the greatest disparity would end up somewhere other than Floor Labor. I think I will go have a glass of Knob Creek and call it a night.[/QUOTE]

Just as a point of interest, Bud is no longer an American owned company. If you wish to drink American beer it is Sam Adams or Sierra Nevada. You just can't tell anymore.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:21 AM   #60
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[quote=wheel interested;639153]What the heck is really going on? 700,000 children going hungry in America and numbers rising! Never mind cars what can we do to feed our own country?

Some 691,000 children went hungry in America sometime in 2007, while close to one in eight Americans struggled to feed themselves adequately even before this year’s sharp economic downturn, the Agriculture Department reported Monday.

Hi, I don't like to see children or any other age group go hungry, But we are feeding thousands of illegals in this country because we don't enforce immigration laws and not to mention the outrages number of obese people that we have here too. Also we give enough food to other countries to easily feed those children you're talking about.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:53 AM   #61
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I was just really shocked when I read that this evening. Didn't mean to hijack the thread but kind of thought backing American workers and how America takes care of its own was all related thus here I am.

I don't think there is a lack of food. But I do think feeding everyone young and old should be a higher priority. I don't have facts but why let that stop me from forming an opinion. I think before rockets are sent up into space and explode at 10 million dollars or so, we should make sure every one is eating at home before we worry about widening out.

I know these are tough times and I know it puts a lot of people on edge and causes bitter conclusions about the economy and who are the fat cats but when I thought about the words of that article and the term very low food security and going hungry, I thought how fortunate we are and what as citizens we could do. There is more to the article than I copied and pasted. It was searing to me.

Legislation, is that the key? Food drives is that the answer? Perhaps we of the WBCCI and Air Forums could do a little something collectively.
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That would be enough for me to spend the extra $$ to try this tire out. I have Coopers on 3 of my 4 vehicles and all have done well. All of our fleet trucks/cars (100 +/- vehicles) at work run Cooper tires when the OE tires wear out.
I run Coopers on some of my vehicles. We tried them on my wife's F150 with the 17" wheels and they were awful, switched back to the OEM Goodrich's. My other trucks run them with no problems.

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Old 11-18-2008, 09:33 AM   #63
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Just as a point of interest, Bud is no longer an American owned company. If you wish to drink American beer it is Sam Adams or Sierra Nevada. You just can't tell anymore.[/quote]
I forgot this point, which does tie to this whole thread, do I now boycott BUD (which isn't on my list of beers to drink) because the profit goes to Europe?
In the case of Toyota yes they pay the non union labor less, but at the same time the president of that company makes a few hundred thousand dollars a year and is honored almost embarrassed to do so. President of the big three are making in the ten of millions per year, with their hand out for the government to pay them more.
I guess the way I see it, I want American Labor. I want reasonable pay to execs and if that comes by buying from a company that is from a country that limits that pay so be it. Toyota and Honda are increasing jobs in this country...GM?
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Thumbs up Waiting for the aliens...

Lets all buy Planet Earth products..

The "global" economy is here to stay, we all just 'gonna have to deal with it. Like it or not.

I still stay away from Wallyworld though, fwiw.
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[quote=wheel interested;639153] Never mind cars what can we do to feed our own country?
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carol, sorry to jump in, but you already did something! On the 4th of November - and on this side of the big pond we are very very happy about that ... But you are totally right and it is not only an american problem, it is global as everything mankind in doing on this planet... ...or better - to this planet???

Back to the main discussion...

Here in Germany the Government is thinking of giving a big big 2 billion euro credit to Opel Motors or even putting Opel under Government Control... What really bothers me and I am sorry to say that - Opel is belonging to GM and the money that we German Tax payers have to pay is running directly to Detroit. It is the same with our National (government ruled!) Small business Bank IKB - it lost 8 billion euros in the big crash and was sold to an american hedgefond. The CEO's of the IKB now have to pay back their benefits of (I think!) 6 million euros, but guess what, not to the Government (and the Taxpayers...) but to the hedgefond...

I don't say that globalisation is bad - not at all - otherwise we wouldn't be meeting on these forums, you wouldnt drink european wine and beer, wouldn't drive german cars and we wouldn't own our Airstream and I could't have married at Aspen, CO... But something is really wrong on this planet... We always speak of buying european or american or of think global buying local... but if a sand shovel in china is falling down it is influencing the whole planet... (literally (wrong spelling?)). Sure there are so many things that we must (without any discussion!) buy locally, just but more to protect our environment and stop stupid shipping of food and goods around the world... Did you know, that is cheaper to buy a chicken from the Netherlands in Africa than buying a chicken that was raised locally in africa?? It is so stupid, but is is global business... We need to think about what we are doing, we need to step back when we do stupid businesses, but we need to think global, just to be able to act local! Or we need people in charge that CAN think and who ARE responsable and who are willing to CHANGE our planet - the economic and this planet is what we need, but they will survive us...

...i think i went off topic.... Sorry...

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Bjoern, don't worry about yer spelling at all, your English is much better than my German ever was! And you always have good comments. Always interesting reading.

I have a question that I'm almost afraid to ask. To wit, why does everybody beat up on Walmart so much? How are they any different than any other large retailer? I'm going to go duck behind a chair now.

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Walmart is one of the few companies in this economic situation that is showing a fairly good profit. I'm not a economic specialist, however as i see it Walmart is non-union, so they don't have all the s--t that goes along with unions, like the United Auto Workers union (UAW). They also purchase a large amount from China, cheep stuf, sell it at a low price, and they sell ALOT of it. Jim i think they beat up on Walmart because thy are jealous. All that said i don't buy from Walmart because i don't like cheep crap from China
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I don't shop at Wallyworld because I feel I just don't fit in.

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I was just really shocked when I read that this evening. Didn't mean to hijack the thread but kind of thought backing American workers and how America takes care of its own was all related thus here I am.

I don't think there is a lack of food. But I do think feeding everyone young and old should be a higher priority. I don't have facts but why let that stop me from forming an opinion. I think before rockets are sent up into space and explode at 10 million dollars or so, we should make sure every one is eating at home before we worry about widening out.

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Legislation, is that the key? Food drives is that the answer? Perhaps we of the WBCCI and Air Forums could do a little something collectively.
Yeah, it's nice to say kids go hungry, but what does that mean??? Do they get 1 meal 2, how many a day.

Most, and I'm not saying all is because of bad decsions by the parents... buying BEER, CIGS, PULL tabs and gambaling instead of buying food.... I see it all the time...

Then there on Welfare, They have big tvs, cable or satellite tv, videos games you name it.... This is why kids go hungry... Parents with screwed up priorities....

Buy american when you can but don't buy for the sake of buying,,, And thats what people do....
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Thanks for this site. I am sad to say the kids and I went to a parade and they handed out American flags. The flags had stickers holding them rolled up. The stickers said made in China. It really made me sad. I always think about buying quality stuff but this really made me think about needing to buy American.
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