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Old 07-31-2011, 01:38 PM   #85
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But who is Big Brother?

In the novel "1984", it was assumed it would be the state and when the novel was written in 1948, that was a logical guess as fascism was the recent enemy. Fascism was premised on corporations having a large role in state policies. Labor would have a role, but not a very big one. Democracy was funneled not through a real legislature, but through representatives of the major parts of the society with monied interests and military having a large role. The fascist regimes (Portugal 1st, then Italy, Germany, Spain) paid lip service to worker rights and pay, but didn't mean it.

In 1948 it was becoming obvious that the new enemy was the USSR. Though claiming to be socialist, it was nothing like that at all. It was a giant corporation, undemocratic and controlled by intelligence services, military and aparatchiks (bureaucrats). This was even more centralized fascism and notoriously inefficient.

All these regimes used patriotism and war threats to bolster their regimes and keep the public from noticing what was going on.

So is the US government Big Brother? US corporations, and most especially the insurance industry, a collection of big brothers? Have we become an oligarchy or plutocracy and the modern version of the corporate state but with the state weak and the lobbyists running things?


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Old 07-31-2011, 04:18 PM   #86
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The question I have is if the gov't is going to chop some off Medicare/Cade and add 40 million new insured, who's going to pay the doctors for all those new patients.......with pre-existing conditions? You know all those over-weight smokers that spend their welfare on beer? Those are your new comrades that you will see in your doctor's office. At least most of them don't have any teeth so I can miss them at the dentist.


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Old 07-31-2011, 04:44 PM   #87
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Am I to understand all 40,000,000 uninsured (close to 50,000,000 by now) are overweight, beer swilling smokers with no teeth? Oh, they are all on welfare too.

If they have welfare, they are already on Medicaid. Welfare has been cut back a lot—back in the '90's. They would also get food stamps which you can't use for alcohol or cigarettes. If they have Medicaid, I think they get some dental care as part of that, so you already see them at the dentist's office. I'm unsure what the comment about new patients with pre-existing conditions means—should anyone with pre-existing conditions be refused health care—like insurance companies do now?

A lot more than 40,000,000 Americans are overweight, so the beer swilling, cigarette smoking, toothless welfare queens and kings aren't alone in their mutual obesity.

It looks like these people may be seen by some as subhuman and not worthy of health care. We could have committees set up to decide who is subhuman and unworthy of health care—call them "death panels".


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