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Old 07-23-2011, 09:04 PM   #29
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For the US vs Canada question... per the World Health Organization, in 2009 the life expectancy in Canada was 81 years; in the USA, 79 years. The CIA's numbers for 2011 are more or less in agreement, also putting Canadian life expectancy at just over 81 years but putting US life expectancy just over 78.

WHO life expectancy stats

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The CIA puts the US infant mortality rate at 6.06 per thousand live births, and Canada quite a bit better at 4.97 deaths per thousand live births.

CIA infant mortality rankings

Overall statistics never tell the entire picture and there are shortcomings to both systems. Before we all get our knickers in a twist about single-payer, though, let's keep in mind that no one in government made a serious call for a single-payer system, the proposal that had them screaming "Socialism!" was a proposal to create a nationwide group for people to join so they could afford to buy health insurance from insurance companies.
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For the US vs Canada question... per the World Health Organization, in 2009 the life expectancy in Canada was 81 years; in the USA, 79 years. The CIA's numbers for 2011 are more or less in agreement, also putting Canadian life expectancy at just over 81 years but putting US life expectancy just over 78.

WHO life expectancy stats

CIA life expectancy rankings


The CIA puts the US infant mortality rate at 6.06 per thousand live births, and Canada quite a bit better at 4.97 deaths per thousand live births.

CIA infant mortality rankings

Overall statistics never tell the entire picture and there are shortcomings to both systems. Before we all get our knickers in a twist about single-payer, though, let's keep in mind that no one in government made a serious call for a single-payer system, the proposal that had them screaming "Socialism!" was a proposal to create a nationwide group for people to join so they could afford to buy health insurance from insurance companies.
This is great! I subscribe and read the Airstream Knowledge Sharing Forums and get to read the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly from the CDC at the same time. Thank you.
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Canoe Stream you have stated: "Jason has made a fairly non-political statement."

Does this mean, if I were to take exception to any of Jason's statements, I will be dumped?
I opined that Jason spoke to issues that did not display overt opinions aimed at personalities, political office holders, party platforms (within reason) or oppositional matters. That's my opinion but experience as a mod suggests that only a narrow path of posting on this specific matter will survive the day. There are ample other opportunities for discussion of this matter elsewhere on the interwebs.

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You ask us to respond with "non-political" comments to a thread that is, by its very nature a political statement. Comments about "big brother", government regulations and taxes makes this a troll.
Yes, 'big brother' as a title has a negative connotation in my experience. I'm not aiming to mold opinions here -- just pointing out that this thread cannot go far along an opinionated road before site management will say, "Take it elsewhere."

I cannot control this discussion nor suggest a specific path to resolution here at AIR. Solving disparities as a society requires more middle ground than we often see from commentators & overtly opinionated news sources.
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The BIG question was; how does this apply to AIRSTREAMING? A number of us are retired and travel from place to place. If something medical should happen while traveling, there had better be a member doctor there to treat you; otherwise the $ is on you.
The part about Medical Records happened to me. I had my annual check-up on the 7 of Jan. Guess what I had been doing? Holiday eating and sitting around watching the tele; my blood sugar was elevated and there was a history of diabetes in the family. Bing, I'm a diabetic.This is now on my record. I had to go to diabetic classes, monitor my sugars, and go to follow-up classes. Had I NOT gone, any ilness that was tied to diabetes would NOT be covered by Medicare. Today, just about every illness is related to diabetes. Oh, my blood sugar runs about 80-110. Just one lab value did this. Yes, Big Brother IS watching.
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I put it up as info only. Sure I have my opinion on it. But it was mostly to let people know what is coming. Whether you agree with it or not, I'm not to concerned just that you know that it's coming
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purman, I for one, THANK YOU. Information is always good for it gives us the ability to make good decisions in the near future, if you get my non political point.
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We have both sides of the issue here, and I'm still not saying anything!!
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Sorry, can't resist. I only want, on the internet, what I put up, NOT what someone else puts up. And I should NEVER have to "OPT OUT" of anything. It should be, that I CHOOSE to "OPT IN" to something, rather than HAVE to opt out!!!
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Well guys, I can tell you, I make a good living getting doctors complaint on this issue. I'm not sure why you only go $45,000.00. Many of the practices I work for file under the Medicaid section and have been (or will be) receiving a total of $61,000 (I know it was $20,000 this year, with the rest paid out over the next 2 if they qualified by June 30th). From the technical end (me the computer guy), nothing has changed (except the government has placed more requirements for the doctors. The computer software (eClinicalworks is what I have been working with) is still the same. If there was a fear of hackers, it has been there for the past 5 years.
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This is great! I subscribe and read the Airstream Knowledge Sharing Forums and get to read the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly from the CDC at the same time. Thank you.
I share your excitement and I am so glad I don't have to go look for the information on the CDC site, It is hard to express how lucky I feel that I was saved this trouble by finding it out here.

I now feel I have to make a list of things I should post here so others will know what is coming into their life in the future, I know they would never figure it without my help and inside information.

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I was thinking about my last post and I don't think I worded it correctly to be understood. So I would like to take another crack at it.

If your doctor carries an electronic tablet with them, when they see you, your doctor is already using an EMR (electronic medical records) or EHR (electronic health records) program. The programs (at least eClinicalWorks) has only changed in the fact at it now forces doctors to document things that should have been in the first place (like if you are a smoker or not). Things they should have been tracking to know risks and to look for and test these risks in the future.

If there was a fear of miss handling of your information, well it been there for some time (I set up my first EMR 5 years ago). Sorry, there is nothing new to worry about.
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When you treat health care as a commodity rather than a universal human right you get health care in the US with treatment costing twice as much for poorer outcomes compared to other industrialized nations.

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I can't think of anything worse than having a doctor who I have never met except while passed out in the emergency room of a hospital 2000 miles from my home treating me for a heart attack having access to my medical records online, oh the horror.

The only way I can relate this to Airstreaming is I must of been traveling in my trailer at the time of the heat attack.

I hope the system is wireless so the emergency room physician can get in touch with my primary care doctor on the golf course.
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My wife lost her job over a year and a half ago. She was our families health insurance. For the past six months we were "uninsured"( it was liberating to know that we were one of 50 million Americans in the same boat). Last month we were able to get insurance once again. It is only $278 a month more than my lease on my business space. I look at it as a bargain at $372 more than the mortgage on our house. I find solace in knowing that after I put in my first 34 hours of work, I can pay for the peace of mind of knowing that if hurt or stricken with a catastrophic illness, I might or might not be covered by my policy. One month into our uninsured status, I injured my back. Instead of taking care of it, I suffered through it. I sure did my part in stimulating the economy related to over the counter pain medications.

Our system is very broken. A country as great as ours and we cannot even take care of our citizens. I find this appalling. I am sure someone will say "well, if you don't like it move somewhere else" That is a great notation, but not very realistic. How about we fix the system.


Oh, how does this relate to Airstreaming? I work on them for a living. They are my livelihood. By working on them, I can pay for my insurance.

Now, past the commentary. $45K/ patient sounds like a pretty nice "take" if you ask me. Wish I had studied harder in school.
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