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Old 07-23-2011, 05:29 PM   #15
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Maybe we can start a clinic in our airstream and go to all the rallies? then it would be on topic Or is that still off topic
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:41 PM   #16
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Maybe we can start a clinic in our airstream and go to all the rallies? then it would be on topic Or is that still off topic

It's been done! At one of the two Airstream factory Homecoming Rallies ('05 & '06 as I recall) a urologist had set up an Airstream for prostate cancer screening and was offering free DRE's to any male who wanted to come in.

I don't think she was getting a whole lot of business, though. . .
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It's been done! At one of the two Airstream factory Homecoming Rallies ('05 & '06 as I recall) a urologist had set up an Airstream for prostate cancer screening and was offering free DRE's to any male who wanted to come in.

I don't think she was getting a whole lot of business, though. . .
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I'd probably have prostate exam flashbacks every time I tried to go into our Airstream, after getting an exam in one...
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Maybe some dispassionate, non-political observations from an outsider can qualify?

We Canadians look down across the border and can hardly believe the ceaseless arguements regarding medical care that go on amongst you.

I saw it first hand when I spent 173 days in America with the Argosy this winter.

We've had a single payer universal health care system in this country for 49 years. Every other advanced western democracy in the world has something similar, except for our close neighbors, who are still fighting over it.

Meanwhile, NO Canadian, not a single person, is without health insurance.

The per-capita cost of medical care in the USA is DOUBLE what ours is and ALL of our outcomes are better than yours: life expectency, live child births, on and on....

You really need to get your act together.

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Mr Canoe,

You ask us to respond with "non-political" comments to a thread that is, by its very nature a political statement. Comments about "big brother", government regulations and taxes makes this a troll.

If we do have an "Off Topic" forum then this should be there (it is) and we should be free to respond in like fashion. I appreciate your desire to keep the discussion civil, but "non-political?"

By the way, our friend to the north summed it up nicely.
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I didn't realize there even was an off-topic forum. Carry on guys.
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I think our tax money should go to big oil and countries that dont like us.
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Maybe some dispassionate, non-political observations from an outsider can qualify?

We Canadians look down across the border and can hardly believe the ceaseless arguements regarding medical care that go on amongst you.

I saw it first hand when I spent 173 days in America with the Argosy this winter.

We've had a single payer universal health care system in this country for 49 years. Every other advanced western democracy in the world has something similar, except for our close neighbors, who are still fighting over it.

Meanwhile, NO Canadian, not a single person, is without health insurance.

The per-capita cost of medical care in the USA is DOUBLE what ours is and ALL of our outcomes are better than yours: life expectency, live child births, on and on....

You really need to get your act together.

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I knew there was a reason that all the rich americans went to Canada when they needed to have something done. Oh, wait. It's the other way around.

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I thought it was...
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Maybe some dispassionate, non-political observations from an outsider can qualify?

We Canadians look down across the border and can hardly believe the ceaseless arguements regarding medical care that go on amongst you.

I saw it first hand when I spent 173 days in America with the Argosy this winter.

We've had a single payer universal health care system in this country for 49 years. Every other advanced western democracy in the world has something similar, except for our close neighbors, who are still fighting over it.

Meanwhile, NO Canadian, not a single person, is without health insurance.

The per-capita cost of medical care in the USA is DOUBLE what ours is and ALL of our outcomes are better than yours: life expectency, live child births, on and on....

You really need to get your act together.

Health care in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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My challenge to a single payer system resides in the diagnosis and cure rates for various cancers. The diagnoses and cure rates of numerous cancers are several fold higher in the USA than either Canada or England. These are indisputable facts. I am a physician ( Ob/Gyn) and a cancer survivor.

I also challenge the broad sweeping comment about better outcomes in Canada for all diagnoses. (If the Canadian system is so perfect why did so many people travel to Portland, Or. for health care? ) In the US, if you require surgery you don't have to wait for months as so often happens in Canada. We have more MRI machines in the US per capita than in Canada. ETC!!!

I have also served in the US Army, and even though proud of my service, I am acutely aware of the inherent problems with THAT particular brand of socialized medicine.

This is obviously a hot button for me, because like my peers, we have dedicated our lives to the service of patients, regardless of reimbursement--often none whatsoever.

In the last year of my practice before retirement, the reimbursements from Medicare, Medicaid, and Tri-Care ( military) were so paultry that I couldn't even meet overhead expenses for most of the year.

Unfortunately this trend will continue and there will be fewer and fewer physicians to provide healthcare. In the year 2000 we knew that there would be a 50% shortfall of specialists in the next 20 years ( 2020). Because government reimbursements are so meager, too few medical school graduates are entering Internal Medicine as an example....those are the docs who take care of us over 60!!!!! --Geriatric medicine!

The concept of a universal health care system sounds appealing, but the reality falls woefully short of expectations.

I would love to spend time with whomever over a cold frosty one, and discuss this further. I have many stories to relate, and cautions to provide.

Be well, be safe, and be happy. God Bless Zigi
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I didn't realize there even was an off-topic forum. Carry on guys.
There's also a "Pet Forum", I got chastised for putting up photos of our dog there, until I pointed out where we were...
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I thought about adding my two cents worth to this discussion but it just makes my head hurt. Anybody making house calls? zigi?
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Now Exactly How Does This Subject Matter Relate To Airstreams

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Here is the short version of what the Government is doing to healthcare and your medical records


With in a year if a doctor wants to see medicare / medicaid they have to buy in to a govt program which requires ALL the patients charts (not just medicare / medicaid) to be uploaded to a govt server so any doctor can see the persons chart. (or anyone with access)

There is also an incentive for the doctors to do this over a 3 year period. $45,000. Where is all this money going to come from for all the doctors who go into the program? yep, taxes...

So lets take our small county say with 25 doctors +. thats well over a million dollars just for our county... We are talking Billions of dollars here folks.

But there is a catch! over the three year period it gets harder to comply with what the government wants and if you don't you have to pay the money back... Yep big surprise there...


If you don't get in the program you can't see medicaid / medicare patients. Which is 30-60% of family and internal medicine doctors practices.

So they bribe and penalize doctors to get them in the program..

So what does this mean to you. The Government now has access to your medical records. ( and hackers) since we know how stuff never gets hacked.

So If a doctor miss diagnoses you, puts it in your record, then up loads it, It's there forever. ooppss sorry your a drug seeker because you where confused when you came in. Yes this does happen...

Do you really want your medical records online? I know I don't. We still don't know what we are going to do as a family practice.

Hopefully when people get wind of it, it will change. Not many doctors even understand what is coming, so the public has no idea.. Now you do..
Hello, I do not have a very high IQ so it takes me two or three reads to understand things. Someone please tell me how this subject relates at all to Airstreams? Thank you!
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This is not going to end well, even if it is on an "off topic" forum. I thought that when I read the initial post — and already it's happening. It's simply not possible to talk about this hot-button issue without taking a political stance. Political stances is not what this forum is about. It's certainly not why I am here. 'Nough said.
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