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Old 01-02-2007, 12:27 PM   #15
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There were a pair of them parked in a storage lot just outside of the El Toro Marine Base, while I stored my TradeWind there a few years ago. They were in very poor condition, with missing glass and much rust.
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Old 01-02-2007, 12:29 PM   #16
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Now that would be the ultimate tow vehicle. That would certainly look awesome as a twosome. You can even carry your car inside the FutureLiner. I wonder what the tow capacity is?

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Old 01-02-2007, 05:10 PM   #17
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You can even carry your car inside the FutureLiner. I wonder what the tow capacity is?

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From what I've heard, about 5 pounds...
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:16 PM   #18
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One would think as rare as the Classic AS Motorhomes are, that their values would be continually going up. Reality is thst does not seem to be the case.
As a big fan and one who watches the market on them, I can't understand it. Would gas prices alone do that?
Seems there are bargains out there for someone wanting the neatest looking, & maybe in reality the rarest of the "practical" and usable motorhomes on the market.
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:24 PM   #19
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One would think as rare as the Classic AS Motorhomes are, that their values would be continually going up. Reality is thst does not seem to be the case.
As a big fan and one who watches the market on them, I can't understand it. Would gas prices alone do that?
Seems there are bargains out there for someone wanting the neatest looking, & maybe in reality the rarest of the "practical" and usable motorhomes on the market.
Give it time Alan. I think a unit that has not been totally used up and that is in fair shape will command a higher price at some point, if for nothing else, collector value. Look at it this way, the cars that are getting the big prices now are 40 years old. Vintage trailers that are 40 or 50 years old, that are redone or perfect are selling for higher amounts now, and even in need of repair are selling at pretty darn good levels. I think the Classic Motorhomes will be in the same boat, but it may take a few more years for them to get on the endangered lists where folks will start paying higher prices for them. I've seen the ones on eBay and folks out of the gate are asking 19k for a unit in need of work and few are bidding high on them. Of course, eBay is not the best place to do a litmus test from.
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Old 01-03-2007, 06:11 AM   #20
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According to the talking head on the B-J Auction show the Future Liner was originally a diesel. What I find more interesting is that the owner was only looking for $600,000.00 and ended up with 4.1 million!! Now that's a big difference for sure.
The bidder who got out at 4 mil. was the same guy who bought the record sale SS Chevelle drag racer earlier in the day for 1.2 million. Now that's what I call a serious collector with some serious cash!
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Old 01-03-2007, 08:01 AM   #21
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The fact is that a 1953 Flying Cloud and a 1953 Cadillac are two different animals. The FC is obviously far more rare than the caddy, but there are a ton more people interested in the caddy than the FC.

We're all too close to this -- there really isn't a big demand for any of this. We think the AS moniker is a big draw but really it's not. Way too many people respond with 'they still make those?' when the topic comes up. We're not on most people's radar screens -- not even close. Even when you give them the run-down it's an interesting side-note to life to most. Of all the discussions I've had with non-AS owners (and I'd hate to even put a number on that) I've yet to see one spark that lead to a new AS owner.
I'm not sure I agree with these statements at all. Looking at the production numbers over the past 3 years would beg to differ with these observations.

Though it is true, a lot of us are biased, the numbers don't lie. There is a HUGE demand for new and newer Airstreams. I can see few on eBay that don't sell. Additionally, Internet and RV classifieds seem to also be doing equally as well. That goes for both vintage and new(er) Airstreams and Argosies).

Though there is a lot of "they still make these" type comments floating around out there, there still seems to be a great deal of folks finding them and buying them.

Vintage is a whole nuther beast and although a 53 Caddy is not a great comparison to a 53 FC, the bottom line is these units are increasing in value. Maybe not to the extent some would feel they should be, but they are and in 10 years, the 53 FC will be far more costly than it is today. I would estimate that the Classic mohos will also share in that appreciation at some point as well.

Let's all agree to come back here 10 years from now. Only time will tell who was right and who wasn't. At best any of the future converstaions are purely speculative at best.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:17 AM   #22
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I rereferenced my GMC book and it only states the 302 6 cylinder as a repower in 53 thru 57 futurliners and the earier they had the 6 cylinder also
145 HP .The futurliner sold ,if you track the restoration definately had the gas
straight 6 in it ,no mention of a diesel at any time .Is the B J guy mistaken ?
Im thinking possibly ,why would they remove a diesel and put gas engines in ?
thats unlikely ,the books denotes slow speeds and poor power so it does
seem the gas 302 and earlier 6 , likely the 261 GMC truck engines were the
power source .The restoration website shows the gas engine and the rebiulding /restoration of the power train itself. Id think that GM would put
a diesel in later as a repower to try to get these behomeths some get up and go .

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Old 01-03-2007, 11:20 AM   #23
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According to the talking head on the B-J Auction show the Future Liner was originally a diesel.
Glen,
If they would read the history they would know that they were all originally diesel...and we re-powered with the gas engines prior to the Second Parade of Progress.

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Old 01-03-2007, 05:32 PM   #24
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Value?

Since the subject came up, just one more note on the value of the classic motorhomes. We have had ours for almost 2 years. I have had, and currently own, a few classic cars. I immediately saw the moho as a great deal. A vehicle that cost 100K 20 years ago, for less than one-fifth of that. I kind of assumed that in time, it would go up in value. Now, having owned it for this period of time, I would gladly buy it again, and pay much more. I know that the general public probably can not appreciate that, but I can't imagine owning anything else. It does everything that it supposed to do. It gets more attention than my friends SOBs and cost mega-dollars less. I'm almost glad that people haven't caught on. Just in case I ever am forced to replace it. Ron
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:42 PM   #25
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you guys are making me miss my 280....sob ....but I do like my Soveriegn.....and the Excursion I got to tow it...so I am ok, really I am...
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One can spin the data to support their position anyway they want. The bottom line is that Airstream production, though nowhere near what an automaker builds, is still near the highest, if not the highest level it's ever been.

My point?

These units are going someplace or they couldn't keep building them at the pace they have been for years. That alone tells me that the folks that are saying "They still build these?" are in fact seeking them out and if it's not them, someone is, which is drawing attention to the brand. When a brand gets attention, it can have a halo effect on the rest of the companies products.

There is a strong possibility that as Airstream continues to sell everything they can build (except the noted inventory of box motorhomes on dealer lots), and increase the prices into the stratosphere, that folks **might** pay more attention to the other already built products on the road that are for sale. Since the Airstream MoHos, the classic ones, are unique, it **may** eventually benefit from all the success Airstream is currently having, if the iron stays hot or even warm. Why? Well, new units of similar size are going for $80k+. Buying a piece of history and upgrading it can be done for less if one has the time and money to do it. We've started to see this in the trailer line for the last few years. I.E. the Ralph Lauren Airstream and a number of others. I think the Classic MoHos time will come.

So much so that if I had the $$$ (and place to store it) I'd have one.
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By the way that Barret Jackson auction with the 4 million Dollar GM bus was a year ago. Might want to watch this years auction to see if they bring it back for MORE money? Unbelievable price for a NON-ORIGINAL (engine). Some people have more money then they know what to do with.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:20 AM   #28
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Being a dyed in the wool "Car Krazy", I can't wait for this year's auction
Jan 13-21. It's always exciting to see those bidders spend their bucks and just glad it isn't me that gets caught up in the feeding frenzy. Some say that the BJ is "Stupid Money" but who can be sure? The cars certainly look great under all those lights and on TV. Bring em on.
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