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Old 08-19-2012, 04:38 PM   #183
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By now I've forgotten all the suggestions, but maybe these have not been listed:

1. A fresh water drain valve made of brass that doesn't break and is easy to open and close.

2. Stop throwing your trash and garbage in places like the fresh water tank cavity.

3. Screens over the furnace, water heater and fridge doors to keep out paper wasps and other bugs. Aftermarket ones are available for the first two, but don't look good and I haven't found any for the fridge door.

4. The rock guards have poorly made locking screws and they can come loose. Part of the problem is the screwdriver slot is too big and hard to close properly even with a really big screwdriver. They only turn a quarter turn and can come loose easily.

5. There are sometimes reports of windows reduced to dust for no apparent reason. Perhaps they should have a metal frame rather than nothing but glass. And they should be thermopane like other "premium" brands. But, because of wildlife, opening them in many places is an invitation to bears and other hungry creatures. So, going back to a double window with the bottom half in a metal frame opening would be safer (wildlife and nasty people) and get us better ventilation. This would be better than a large window that is never opened and also the frames would solve the sticking window problem.

6. The decals in the beltline and other trim around the trailer deteriorate quickly. Better quality is a must.

7. The aluminum on the outer skin is too soft and scratches much too easily.

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Old 08-19-2012, 05:30 PM   #184
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By now I've forgotten all the suggestions, but maybe these have not been listed:

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4. The rock guards have poorly made locking screws and they can come loose. Part of the problem is the screwdriver slot is too big and hard to close properly even with a really big screwdriver. They only turn a quarter turn and can come loose easily.


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Quit complaining about those fasteners. I flew in government owned airplanes held together by ones just like that.

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Old 08-19-2012, 06:27 PM   #185
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Quit complaining about those fasteners. I flew in government owned airplanes held together by ones just like that.

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That's why they give you parachutes.

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Old 08-19-2012, 06:40 PM   #186
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I haven't had any windows turn to dust, but when they are full swing out they look so vulnerable. I would like to see aluminum frames as well. I've sprayed the rubber with silicone and the glass still sticks and I have to go out with a knife any pry the glass from the seal.

I'd like to see a different lift mechanism too. Sometimes when you close the windows the weight of the glass causes it to slam into the seal before you can catch it. A crank mechanism that allowed you to have more control over the glass movement would be a nice improvement. Also sometime it's difficult to get both levers into the stops, this may be just my inexperience though.

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Old 08-19-2012, 06:52 PM   #187
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I agree Dan. A crank would be a lot better and a real hinge. The big windows have two C channels mated as a "hinge". Having had one get very slightly bent, it was very hard to get them to work properly and even the JC service center couldn't get it perfect. The window did shatter as we first drove it home since the dealer or factory hadn't adjusted the latch properly and the pressure on it caused it to blow out. It's auto glass, so it turns to gazillions of small pieces.

We hardly ever open these windows. They are poor design, look very vulnerable and hurt a lot when I walk into them. We just use the fans. They might as well have put in fixed windows.

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Old 08-19-2012, 07:10 PM   #188
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They might as well have put in fixed windows.


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Old 08-19-2012, 07:33 PM   #189
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Jalousie.....; I like them for some applications but not for others. To many pieces and the glass is distracting to look through. However, I have never hit my head on one of them. You're right Gene. The Pano in the FB could go away and it would be an improvement. We removed all of the hardware, miniblinds drapes etc. and replaced them with privacy panels. The bottom hold down bracket for the mini blinds at the head of the bed was in a bad spot.

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Old 08-19-2012, 07:34 PM   #190
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Maybe someone could write this all down it book form.

They could call it "The Thread of Our Discontent"

Not that is going to cure the problem, but here is the Airstream document on sticky windows. It works for several weeks for me. I use the 303 protectant

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Old 08-20-2012, 12:04 AM   #191
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To say something positive I do like the window tint. It's nice and dark and in the daytime it gives you some privacy.

My main suggestion to AS would be to look at School buses. They are big bulky vehicles that get an extrodinary amount of use. Much more than an AS. They sit out in uncovered lots when not in use. No leaks...... I have a friend who works for the school district and maintains a fleet of aging buses and roof leaks are not part of his problem. Some of the buses are 20+ years old and have hundreds of thousands of miles on them. And look where we live, 40 inches of rain a year.

So AS, send an engineer to the Wayne Bus Co. and see what they are doing. Maybe you need to get some yellow paint.

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Old 08-20-2012, 11:17 AM   #192
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27FB Without Pano Window in Bedroom

Dan and Gene,

I agree with your observation about not needing a panoramic window in the bedroom of the FB models. Our 27FB Safari SE doesn't have a panoramic window in the bedroom. We like having the extra storage space afforded by the bedside closets, plus the extra warmth from not having so much glass in the bedroom on cool evenings. A sales representative at one of Airstream's largest dealers told us it would be difficult to sell our unit because the market wants the panoramic window in the bedroom. Not an issue for us as we don't plan to sell for years. I believe the Flying Cloud 27's can be special ordered without pano windows in the bedroom today.

Inside and outside pictures included. Sorry I don't have a good image of the closets on either side of the bed but they look the same as the closets on the 28' trailers. The cubby holes on the sides of the closets at the head of the bed are convenient for books and alarm clocks plus recharging cell phones (there is an electrical outlet under the cubbies on each side of the bed). The upper closets on each side of the bed are convenient for hanging clothes, thereby freeing up the main closet in the hallway for other storage. The lower compartment on each side of the bed is good for storing shoes and miscellaneous items such as a portable electric heater.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:21 AM   #193
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Chuck, thanks. I don't thing resale with the single window will be an issue. I would much rather have your set-up. I'd feel more comfortable about leaks and privacy.

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Old 08-20-2012, 11:28 AM   #194
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...plus the extra warmth from not having so much glass in the bedroom on cool evenings...
It also means extra cool on hot days, like we've been having lately.

My '83 Excella doesn't have pano windows in the bedroom. I like it that way. Of course, I also like it dark in the bedroom too.

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Old 08-20-2012, 12:31 PM   #195
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While we are in the window area, all the blinds on the sides of the trailer fall away from the walls and it is easy to see inside. I understand the Classics have something down the sides; don't know about the Internationals.

It would not be hard to provide more privacy for those of us with the lower class trailers.

This has been solved by us in the bedroom by putting Reflectix on all the windows there. The curbside window at the head of the bed on a 25' is especially annoying because I can't prop up a pillow and read in bed or even watch TV easily because I keep crushing the blind. The panos just weaken the structure and one center window and the side escape window are enough.

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Old 08-20-2012, 12:47 PM   #196
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Gene, exactly. The mini blinds at the head of the bed were gone in a week. Several of our blinds in the lounge area have broken on top where the holding clip is located. I'm gonna do something like the reflectex everywhere.

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