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Old 08-01-2009, 04:54 PM   #15
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Sarge, I think you hit the nail on the head and agree with you 100%. Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced but what the heck
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Old 08-01-2009, 05:47 PM   #16
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It is a shame the 31' is going away. For now my 25' Classic suits us, but we use it for trips of a few days and up to 3 weeks. In a couple year when we retire, I certainly would think the 31' model would suit us better.

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Hi Dennis,
I think the info about what is being manufactured now (2010 models) is coming garbled from different sources. My information is that the 2010 classics are 27 FB, the standard floor plan 30 (I think either Queen or twin) and the 31 Dinette. I think part of the confusion comes from the fact the the 31 D is actually the same length as the 30. There are 2010 31Ds advertised now on at least a couple dealer's lots. I have one on order that was scheduled of the assembly line last Tuesday, so hopefully I will see it soon. I sure hope I'm right.,
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:11 PM   #17
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I have found relying on Don the Tour Guy for information is somewhat chancy. Last year he said the name Flying Cloud was going to be used for the Classics. He was wrong—it was the Safari name that was replaced. Two of us on different tours (maybe more, this information has been posted for several months on different threads) heard Don say the 31's and 34's were toast. I believe I got confirmation from an Airstream executive later that day after taking the tour again this year.

It's possible Airstream changed it's mind if a bunch of orders came in, or it may be as Ken says—31D's are the same length as 30's.

By the way, we've taken the tour two years in a row and each was very different. This year we were killing time while we waited for our trailer to be fixed, but we were glad we took the tour because we saw different things.

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Old 08-01-2009, 06:33 PM   #18
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I love my 34 and it tows like a dream with a Hensley and a Dodge Cumins 3500. I am in the process of trading it for a 2000 34 with Sofa SO. I work some remotely from the Airstream when I'm out of town, ie beach, mountains etc so the side sofa with no dinette and desk in the front is perfect for us.
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:46 AM   #19
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10/11 K too much for What????????

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Yeah,, I was not very concise in my post. The model that I was thinking of, is the 34, that had a gvw of what,,, somewhere around 10>11K?
Pretty big load, even for a 2500/250/350 type truck.
What impresses me about the Top kick/450/550 types, is the huge brakes, that, and real "truck" wheels/tires/frames.
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evidently you dont know about trucks, and I believe most in here will verify what I am about to tell you, BUT,,,
the ratings you think for the 2500,3500,250,350,450,550, are much higher than you believe depending on the age of the truck. So for space reasons lets stay with anything built after 2004. Now I know Fords best so their ratings are more accurate. The numbers below are tow weights not cargo. Bumper= hooked to bumper/receiver, Bed= fifth wheel/goose neck.

Chev/GMC, Dodge 2500 is a 3/4 ton- 13,000 bumper, 15,500 in the bed
Ford- F250 (up to 2009)- 13,500 bumper, 17,000 in the bed,
2009 increase 1000 lbs for Ford, Chev, GMC, Dodge,
Dodge 3500 is a 1 ton- 14,500 bumper, 20,000 bed, reduced because of softer springs to take out bounce when empty.
Chev/GMC 3500 is a 1 ton-16,000 bumper, Bed 25,000
Ford F350 is a 1 ton-16,500 bumper, Bed 28,000
2009 1 tons add 1,000 lbs
Ford F450-18,000 bumper, bed 30,000
Ford F550 is a 1 1/2 ton-no bumper rating, but has a 40,000 fifth/goose neck rating, this truck & the F650 are rated the same and both are comonly used for tow trucks, ambulances, utility trucks.

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Old 08-02-2009, 11:13 AM   #20
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Names and dates have been changed to protect the not so innocent...

I have a first generation PSD (actually 2 of them) one is equipped with 4wd and 4.56 gears, it has been used to pull a trailer weighing in at around 30,000# Many of today's trucks are very capable tow vehicles, the main issue with towing an Airstream is that they don't like a stiff TV and will suffer damage as a result. Personally I think Airstreams have gotten way to heavy in the recent years. But what do you expect when people want Corian or Granite counter tops in a travel trailer?

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Old 08-02-2009, 01:27 PM   #21
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Sarge/AF,,, I'am sure that you are more informed than I, about trucks.
However, as I type this, I'am looking at the spec sheet for a 2005 Chev Kodiak, that I was looking at, and the tow capacity is listed as being:
receiver hitch---12,000
5th hitch---15,000
GVW-----------19,500
GCWR----------25,999

This would seem to be a reasonable TV for a 10,000lb TT

PS, have no desire to tow any TT that big.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:39 PM   #22
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The weight needs to come down on all of them. When one looks at the brochures of all the aluminum trailer manufacturers from the early 1970's the weights seem reasonable. One might argue they are a bit unrealistic, I cannot say. But when coupled to the stated GVWR -- a number that would have to be in line with reality -- these older trailers were more attractive.

I recently sold my 1983 34' Silver Streak. GVWR of 8,000-lbs. Found myself admiring an early '70's AVION of 31' length where the GVWR is @ 6,500-lbs. Big difference when we are talking about TV's.

An inspection of pictures indicates less total storage space inside and out (S/S trailers are known for the vast amount of storage), but some fair calculations of stuff we carried ""just in case" didn't really justify carrying it.

My grandparents covered the US, Canada and Mexico with a V8 sedan and a 27' Streamline in the 1960's. I doubt that rig would have scaled a lot more than 11,000-lbs. I also doubt they missed much of anything not taken with them nor did anyone else of that period.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:51 PM   #23
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I was told the 34' will not be a regular production line trailer, but will continue to be a special order unit.
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Old 08-02-2009, 11:05 PM   #24
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Rednax,,,,, Wow, I had no idea that the avions, of that time were that light. I guess I just thought that they were all heavy, and the Airstream was the "light" one. Yes,,, there could be more forward thinking, towards a lighter weight. I guess that today, we are all so used to thinking that we must have "everything", in a TT, that it is so easy for the weight to grow.
Glad, that AS will still observe a custom order,,,,,now,,,,,,,when I win the megabucks,,,.
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