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Old 07-23-2008, 03:17 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by cosmotini View Post
The good news is that they are building about 28 trailers a week.
Back in the summer of 2001 on my tour of the factory, they were building 26 trailers a week and 6 motor homes.


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Old 07-23-2008, 04:37 PM   #16
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I was just there as well..

Just as Cosmonoti said, they currently have a ton of Sprinter vans there. I am guessing around 125 units, maybe 20 25' units on the lot. Nothing larger. I did notice two Japanese export trailers, about 15 Safari Sports and about 30 Basecamps.

I have never taken the tour, look forward when I go back and pick up my Bunkhouse.

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Old 07-23-2008, 04:42 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by jcanavera View Post
Back in the summer of 2001 on my tour of the factory, they were building 26 trailers a week and 6 motor homes.

Hi Jack,

I meant "good" in the sense that they're not closing down like a lot of other rv manufacturers.

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Old 07-23-2008, 05:25 PM   #18
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Regarding the high fuel prices...I don't think, in reality, we'll see much help from our lofty Govt legislators...The individual States are reaping HUGE revenues from increased Sales and other taxes on fuel as the price in Calif we pay per gallon taxes to the Feds, States, and Local Govt's, ++++ an 8% sales tax that goes out of sight as the price increases! The State is enjoying the 'free range cash''s almost criminal, IMHO!
You are right about the sales taxes increasing revenue because sales tax is based on PRICE.

Most fuel taxes are calculated by VOLUME; most generally per GALLON.

From what I read today the Feds are already whining about the reduced revenue they are receiving from fuel taxes because people have cut back significantly on driving resulting in sales volume of fuel dropping.

I am not aware of other states charging sales tax on the price of fuel purchases other than California; I am sure there are some.

The states with taxes geared to the PRICE of fuel are increasing their revenues just like the oil companies who are the ones who are reaping the record profits.

Couple this with the banking industry that is now paying the price for its "free market" ways since the 1980's when our US Congress saw fit to start removing regulations that the banking industry insisted were not allowing them to be flexible in how they operated and we are starting to see what I think will become a banking crisis.

Today Washington Mutual and Watchovia have posted record multi BILLION losses; I am sure there will be many more to follow and who knows how many more will follow the California bank (whose name escapes me at the moment) to go completely under. Thanks to our government repealing regulations for the past 25 years we are now reaping the benefits of, shall we say, for lack of a better term, GREED. And, we have an economy this is moving in one direction.

The US Government is forecasting the need for $25 BILLION to bail out Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. I wonder when the general public will pick up on the idea that you the government cannot continue to print money rather than operate with fiscal responsibility?

Fasten your seat belts folks, it is going to be a rough and rocky ride before we see the end of the current spiral.

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Old 07-23-2008, 05:32 PM   #19
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I am not aware of other states charging sales tax on the price of fuel purchases other than California; I am sure there are some.

Texas has a tax on gas per gallon, as well a bridge/road tax.
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:38 PM   #21
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There is an old saying, once bitten, twice shy. In my case I've owned two new Airstreams. Both were fairly dismal in overall quality, though I will say that the 2004 was far better than the 2003, I suppose that isn't saying all that much since the 2003 was a three alarm train wreck.

Fact is, and I'm fairly sure I'm not alone here (maybe I am). When one pays 2 to 3 times what the average RV costs, you kind of expect a certain level of quality. Even though the RV industry as a whole has put out junk for decades, that still doesn't excuse sloppy workmanship and lately the factory sort of walking away from problems it clearly knows are of no fault of the customer (ie: corrosion), particularly at these prices. My 04 retailed for $39k. Same trailer 4 years or 5 model years later is well over $46k and with price increases in nearly everything, this will clearly only go up.

In the end, the RV industry, and Airstream will survive as will the economy and the real estate market. What won't recover is the perception that folks like us that have paid top dollar for these units are basically only slightly better off in terms of QC that the RVs costing 2 to 3x less. Those who have had warranty claims refused, I can bet you won't soon forget your exp.

As for me, the factory treated me during the warranty period as good or better than I could have hoped. The day the warranty ended, it's like my Safari turned back in to a pumpkin and mind you, that is something I won't forget either.

What is the whole purpose of this novel you ask? Thor and more specifically, Airstream had better get their act together for several reasons.

First, fuel prices are most likely NEVER going to go below $2/gallon. We'd be lucky for $3.

Second, with high fuel costs, most will be more selective on what they buy.

Third, if you have the cool factor trailer, and there are handfuls of folks showing nearly 3-5 folks who stop and look at your Airstream at every campground you go to (and those of us that own these know how many folks at like moths to the flame) and talk with owners like me, and/or read forums like this, it's going to have an impact. I tell you this, if I had been in the market and I talked to a number of folks at RV parks who owned these and read what I've seen here on this forum alone, I would clearly have a moment of pause before diving into a new unit....used one, maybe I'd be careful there too, but new, not a chance...not given my ownership exp with two brand new units.

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