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Old 09-29-2015, 06:40 AM   #15
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In my 17' Bambi II I just have the range top (SMEK that's mounted flush to the counter top) & no oven.
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I love my shower (wet bath) and would never get rid of it! Have a little catalytic heater that I rarely use (I use a small electric heater when at a CG if needed) Put in the largest fridge you can! I also made as many drawers as I could instead of doors in the cabinets.Click image for larger version

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Old 09-29-2015, 02:44 PM   #16
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Embedded in the countertop is a CRAMER CE00-MINI/BO-HI/27-I-G combo burner and sink (CRAMER are one of the Dometic subsidiaries in Europe, like SMEV and Waeco)



This gives a two burner cooktop (the big ring takes upto a 12" pan, the small around a 8" - and we have a stackable pan set from Tefal (called T-Fal in the US) called the Ingenio that has handles that are removable) and sink in a 24" by 18" space, which stays covered when not in use to give extra countertop.
I like that sink range top combo! Looking online it appears to only be sold in Europe. Price isn't bad at around $250 US but I haven't seen what shipping would be for something that size. Would you mind sharing where you purchased it from?

My only concern would be is on my Argosy the range vent is on the passenger side and the sink is on the drivers side. Did you keep your range vent or eliminate it?

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So in the 'kitchen' we have a tri-power Dometic RM4223 fridge, with cutlery draw above; the burner/sink combo and an inset waste bin above the double cupboard, and a Atwood Excalibur 8500 furnance in the kick space; the 'draw' unit actually houses an Atwood On-Demand water heater (behind the lowest draw front), pans/plates in the middle draw, toaster oven in the top draw.
I've already purchased a Suburban 20k btu furnace that I'll be using. I'm not sure I'm up for the major modifications that you made to your coach both internally and externally. I'm not quite as skilled as the techs you had working on yours!
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Old 09-29-2015, 02:53 PM   #17
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Are you living in your Argosy? We are living in our 1988 325 Classic Motorhome approximately six months out of the year, so doing without any of those is a bummer. However we have been doing without a stove. Have to admit that I miss it, but I'm not dying either We would not want to use a stove during the hottest months when we are traveling, and by winter we shall be back home in San Diego where I have a full kitchen.

No woman wants to give up closet space if they are living in it. I have a few dresses in the closet because you never know if you might need to dress up, or just want to dress up for a night on the town or dinner out. Last year I brought only 1 week of summer clothes and 1 week of autumn clothing. I went crazy wearing the same outfits for four months. Although my full wardrobe is built to mix/match, you can only do so much with 2 weeks worth of clothing. So this year I packed into the closet all my favorite outfits. I'm a happy woman this year.

We have always done without a dinette and are very comfortable with that. We do have a small table that hides in a little cabinet, but we removed the two big swivel chairs on either side of it and it's such a nice feeling, so open! I am looking for two nice wood folding chairs, preferably ones that can recline. This way they will also be comfortable for watching Netflix movies on the screen, and we can pack them up for more space.
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Old 09-29-2015, 02:54 PM   #18
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I would get rid of the shower.
A toilet is desirable, and sometimes an ASAP necessity, but not a shower.
A shower wastes water, or..... you have to take one of those lousy on/off/on/off showers where you freeze, and then remain kind of soapy and itchy all day.
Without a shower you seldom need a dump station.
Without a shower, you seldom need to fill the FW tank.
When I was a kid and we camped in a travel trailer, there was one sink by the range, and you washed in it, quite easily and quickly, with a tiny amount of water. We still do that when we camp in the 345.
Sure, every few days you still feel like a real shower, but all over North America you find truck stops with clean, excellent showers for a small amount of money.
I would get rid of the shower. We never use ours.

PS. I guess I should add that we never ever stay in a hook-up type campground, when a shower might be a more practical proposition. But my understanding is that it is rare to find a campground without available showers on site.
Bob, I'm not sure I could do away with the bath/shower combo. I follow your reasoning but if I'm going to have a toilet in the coach it doesn't hurt anything to have the shower components left in place. If it doesn't get used then no water wasted.

I never did use the shower in the 310 (separate shower & separate toilet) as we always stayed someplace where there was a shower available.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Old 09-29-2015, 02:56 PM   #19
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Just started on my renovation - Yesterday the first thing I took out was the Stove/Oven. Microwave was already missing. Wife wants a induction plate and a convection microwave . New sink forthcoming, just not sure single or double.
If I can't get a hold of a sink/stove combo like Martin used I might just go with a small microwave and an induction plate. I can't see a need for an oven especially if I carry a small toaster oven like Martin does.

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Thank you, I do. We will start east from Montana this spring, but it might take us a year or so to get to you. If you need to get rid of it in the meantime, please do.

One appliance that you didn't mention: furnace. Ours doesn't work. I plan to buy a catalytic heater that runs on little propane bottles for our run from Montana to Salt Lake in March. My Montana nephew has been using these heaters for years and likes them, supposed to be safe indoors. If it works out, both the oven and the furnace underneath it can go.
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The awning rail isn't going anywhere, at least not unless I move which something catastrophic would have to happen for that to be the case
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:00 PM   #21
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We could probably lose the microwave, one of the full length closets, dont have a dinette but if we did it could go..........I think thats about it from your list. We do use the oven, wife likes to bake and has done biscuits and cookies and stuff. Boy, you really have to prioritize in that 20 footer.

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Yep, you can't pack 10 lbs of crap into a 5 lb container!

A dinette is out of the question mainly because I think a comfortable bed is more important than a comfortable place to sit and eat

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Old 09-29-2015, 03:04 PM   #22
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In my 17' Bambi II I just have the range top (SMEK that's mounted flush to the counter top) & no oven.
Attachment 249304 That gave up a lot of space for storage.
I put a small, square micro in the closet & made the shelving to fit it, so no space was wasted there.Attachment 249305
I love my shower (wet bath) and would never get rid of it! Have a little catalytic heater that I rarely use (I use a small electric heater when at a CG if needed) Put in the largest fridge you can! I also made as many drawers as I could instead of doors in the cabinets.Attachment 249303
Becky, nice looking bambi!

I'm leaning towards a Norcold N641 fridge which is about a 3/4 height unit. I've always been frustrated by the small fridges and I don't think there is room for a full height unit. We'll see

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Thank you, I do. We will start east from Montana this spring, but it might take us a year or so to get to you. If you need to get rid of it in the meantime, please do.

One appliance that you didn't mention: furnace. Ours doesn't work. I plan to buy a catalytic heater that runs on little propane bottles for our run from Montana to Salt Lake in March. My Montana nephew has been using these heaters for years and likes them, supposed to be safe indoors. If it works out, both the oven and the furnace underneath it can go.
YES! We also got rid of our furnaces and you are right it produces a LOT of extra space! It never worked well and it sucked up a TON of propane. We have two different electric space heaters, a VERY TINY one, and a larger one that resembles a woodstove. The tiny one we use in our bedroom at night, we direct the heat underneath the bed, (warms the bed up before we get in), and shut the two bedroom doors to hold the heat in. We are good down to 20 degrees because we are also under 1 quilt, 1 afghan, and I add a wool blanket to that on my side of the bed. I also snuggle up to my man because he is totally a furnace all by himself, lolz!
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Brad....if it is the 20' that you are outfitting, then it would be primarily a space issue, unless you can fit a toilet and shower (and no doubt sink) where just a toilet would fit.

I hope to buy a 20 to 25' AS or relative in the next few years, and I will have only a chemical/dry toilet in as small a cabinet as I can make do with. Therefore no blackwater tank. There will be a sink in the cooking area, and that will be the only sink I shall have. The greywater tank will hold enough for long intervals between dumping, and if there is no penalty in doing so, I may have the blackwater tank as an overflow from the grey. Whichever waste tank(s) I keep shall be insulated and have a feed from the GFA system since we like to camp in very cold weather. As we always boondock, I see this as giving us a greatly extended independence.

Think also of the reduction in plumbing and exposed pipework that this would make possible!

I must say I have always been amazed how little propane our furnaces use. I believe a propane GFA furnace is one of the better items in a MH. Are the European versions more frugal? Possibly, but they will not be cheap.

I keep on thinking of more stuff to add! In our camping, it is the water heater that I have found to use the most propane. The loss of the shower will help there, but additionally an on-demand water heater will totally replace the present huge Atwood unit, with its unnecessarily large tank and danger of exposure in cold weather camping.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:12 PM   #25
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Seems that a lot of people are either ditching their furnaces or using some sort of alternative.

Now you'all got me wondering...

Heck, I'm just a programmer (or as a coworker once said, code monkey!), designing interiors is not something I would normally think of doing!

Thanks,

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Have seen some really nice interior layouts done on Sketch up. There is even a member here who will do tutorials.
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Hmmm.... not sure how I managed to keep the propane furnace, and the rear mounted A/C (which is heat and cool) and a back-up Duraflame ceramic heater in my 20ft.

But just a comment about having a wetroom. Our wetroom (which includes toilet, basin and shower) is approx 26" x 32", yet I am nearly 300lb and only 5' 9" so nearly as round as I am high, yet fit fine. The room would actually be the same size without the shower so why not include it?

The trick is to use a stepped shower pan (so the toilet sits on the pan) and then a pull down basin. Using the toilet the basin is up




Same when showering

When you finish using the toilet the basin comes down



I don't have an good photos of the wetroom but you can sort of see it here during the rebuild (unfinished and with the shower pan still protected.

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All I can tell you is what I ditched in my renovation of my 310. I pulled out the mini freezer/ice maker that sat beside my fridge freezer. It had barely one cubic foot of usable space, but was 2' tall with compressor, weighed 70+ lbs, and was a possible water leak waiting to happen. I replaced it with a dual bin recycling/laundry soft close pull out.

The other thing I tossed was the Suburban furnace and all the ducting. The furnace didn't work, except for the blower, was a palace for mice, weighed 30+lbs and used a lot of power and propane. By pulling the ductwork I was able to build really big drawers below my wardrobes for more storage. I do plan on replacing it one day with a Platinum Cat but have found the ceramic heaters these days work really well and are a lot cheaper to replace if they go kack.

I replaced my microwave with a convection/microwave which is about 10 lbs lighter than the old model.

If my generator gave up the ghost I would consider replacing it with new technology, but it's a Marquis Gold 6500 that was replaced in 2007 with low hours, so I hope that doesn't happen for a while; although I could really use another outside storage space.

I haven't made up my mind yet but I did purchase two Maxxair 6200K 2 way fans. One to replace the existing center fan and one to either put behind the rear lounge A/C unit, OR replace the A/C unit. I like the idea of having one fan drawing in fresh air and one exhaling stale hot air.

You need a bathroom but not necessarily a shower, however there are products out there that can accomadate both. The shower in my 310 is used for storage of bedding while the rear lounge couches are being used.

Of note I would fabricate cardboard mock-ups of toilets, sinks, cabinetry, walls and whatever else you want, placing them in the Argosy before building anything for real.

Lots of things to consider, good luck.
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If you have an idea for something, be a hideaway table or anything, don't hesisteate to contact me for possible hardware ideas as this is in the line of work that I do. I have access to many hardware catalogues.
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