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Old 08-24-2014, 11:15 AM   #15
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I'm not all-seeing, all-knowing, so calling me the guru is blatant flattery, which as we all know will get you nowhere…

As a front-wheel-drive vehicle, the Festiva can certainly be dolly-towed. ALL front-wheel drive vehicles can be dolly-towed, as long as the overhang at the rear of the vehicle is short so the rear bumper doesn't drag the ground.

If you're looking to flat-tow the Festiva, I can at least look up the vehicle on towbar manufacturers' websites.

Roadmaster's "Bracket Application Guide" shows that they make towbar baseplate brackets for 1983-1990 Festivas. Part number 404-1.

Blue Ox also makes towbar baseplate brackets for the Festiva. Part number BX2106.

So it looks like the Festiva is flat-towable as well as dolly-towable. HOWEVER, neither of these manufactuers' websites indicate what other, if any, preparations need to be made in order to flat-tow. Some vehicles require installation of a transmission lube pump or other additional devices. Some require that you remove certain fuses. Some require that you leave the key in the ignition turned to the "on" or "auxiliary" position to unlock the steering wheel. The Roadmaster and Blue Ox webpages don't have that information, so if your owner's manual doesn't have it either, you'd be risking damage to the vehicle's powertrain or steering.

My recommendation is, stick with towing it on a dolly. We KNOW that will work, and will not require any additional prep of the vehicle.
A tow-dolly it is. Better to be on the cautious side. Thank you.
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Old 08-24-2014, 04:40 PM   #16
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Tow Dolly

Recently purchased a 370 Classic that came with a Demco Kar Kaddy as part of the deal. This particular dolly includes surge brakes as well as a mechanism that allows the toad to track directly behind the tow vehicle rather than being dragged "across" the corner that is being negotiated. This mechanism is activated or deactivated by the removal of a locking pin on the dolly. When removed, the front wheels of the toad are able to "turn" relative to the dolly itself. The thing worked like a charm with my Honda Insight on board.

One caution however that I fortunately (for me at least) witnessed at someone else's expense. It seems that when towing in the "active tracking" mode, that it is not possible to back up the attached dolly/toad without jack-knifing one relative to the other almost immediately. If I'm wrong about this, someone please chime in.
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Backing up a tow dolly with vehicle attached is a disaster no matter what part is activated.


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Old 08-25-2014, 04:21 AM   #18
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Backing up a tow dolly with vehicle attached is a disaster no matter what part is activated.
No worse than backing with a flat-towed vehicle.
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Old 08-25-2014, 07:05 AM   #19
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Yes, the consequences can be worse with a tow dolly than flat towing, and quicker-
The wheels/tires/fenders of the tow dolly can be jack-knifed into the front fenders of the car on the tow dolly very quickly.
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In my experience with flat towing a toad backing was nearly impossible except for a very short distance.


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In my experience with flat towing a toad backing was nearly impossible except for a very short distance.
Yeah. Caster/Camber that makes your toad track well going forward would cause the toad's steering to trip itself to one side going backwards and it wouldn't self-center again until you returned to forward motion.

For those of us with towable automatic transmissions, it's worse; the transmission would pump itself dry through the dipstick tube in short order if you're lucky, or through a blown seal if you weren't lucky.
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In my experience with flat towing a toad backing was nearly impossible except for a very short distance.


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Short as in 1 to 2 ft

Is it possible to have a person hold on to the steering wheel of the toad to prevent the jackknife for any greater distance than the 1 or 2 ft?
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The one time I needed to back up while pulling a toad, when my GPS sent me down a dead-end street by mistake, I uncoupled, turned each vehicle around separately, and then re-coupled. It was a minor pain, but better than risking damage.
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In the case of the Demco incident that I witnessed, I don't think the guy made it a foot before crunching the dolly's fenders into the side of his toad. Even with a normal trailer it's always a hassle trying to back up a short trailer with a long wheelbase vehicle. I would suggest that reversing the Demco is like trying to back up a tandem trailer rig; basically impossible. De-coupling is the only safe way to get through it, and that experience must surely teach you the lesson of knowing exactly what you're driving into before you drive into it.
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plz explain the transmission out the dipstick.... backed up my Saturn sw2 100ft with no issue.
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plz explain the transmission out the dipstick.... backed up my Saturn sw2 100ft with no issue.
Explaining the inner workings of an automatic transmission would fill a hydraulics textbook, and I will spare everybody the agony of reading it. Suffice to say, an automatic transmission is a hydraulic pump, and even when the transmission is in neutral, fluid is still cycling through it as long as the engine is turning. If the engine isn't turning but the wheels are, the transmission fluid is being pumped backwards through the transmission, which raises the possibility (not certainty, just possibility) that it will pump itself dry. I don't know how long it would take to empty the transmission and I'm certainly not going to experiment with my toad.

If your owner's manual tells you to shift into neutral from drive and not from reverse, then chances are good that you've got a transmission that will try to pump itself dry if you back up while towing it. If your owner's manual doesn't say that, and all you have to do is put it in neutral, there shouldn't be a particular problem.
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Thanks for sharing.
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What type of brakes would you use when towing on a dolly? Would a proportional floor-mounted brake box be effective with only the rear wheels on the ground?
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