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Old 07-18-2005, 09:16 PM   #15
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Alan,
Owning more than ten cars in a decade and being able to rattle off the years, makes and models in the order in which you owned them could be an indication of a more serious personality disorder.

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Do you need to disconnect the driveshaft or anything else to tow?
Chaplain Kent - As far as I've been able to research and in looking at the 71's owner manual you can flat tow a beetle simply by putting the manual transmission in neutral and turning the ignition key on notch to unlock the steering column....not sure if this will cause a battery drain yet or not. This ability to easily flat tow and be well within the tow limits of the AS was part of the attraction for a beetle...not to mention I just think they are cool.

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I find myself a little skeptical of the VW tow assembly.
I would probably go for it if I were in those shoes but, after researching all of the info I could find on tow bars and brackets while doing my tow bar assembly, it seems that this VW setup does not fit the bill. I guess the weight is dictating the bracket properties. Maybe the VW is light enough that all of the extra attachments is not necessary.
Ken - I too am surprised at the lightweight towbar. I have to double check but I'm pretty sure the dry weight of the beetle is something like 1600 lbs. I've read numerous references to flat towing with this bar and the current owner has towed many beetles this way behind his dually with no issue. No matter, I plan to use a redundant/independant chain system as well. I also have a 5000# tow bar from Dennis (87MH) that could be the "real" towbar we end up using. And I agree...time to really inspect the receiver and frame attachments on the rig.

I really don't want to see my Beetle pass me on a downhill!

TomW - nice 68....I wish I could have found an early style (pre 67) locally in the same condition....but I'm sure it would have at least been double the price I paid for the Super.
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:46 AM   #16
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... I have to double check but I'm pretty sure the dry weight of the beetle is something like 1600 lbs...
Steven,

IIRC, my '68 had a dry weight of 2200 pounds.

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Old 07-19-2005, 07:05 AM   #17
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Don, at DonMar RV the Airstream dealer working on my coach this week has a new Turbo Beatle in Silver!! 240 HP water cooler!! Would look great behind my coach don't you think? Like retirement the only thing between me and thee, is $$$.

Nice new bug..... my VW experience is a 1981 Puma GTI that I bought new in Toronto when the LADA car folks imported them from Brazil as a production car.
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:50 AM   #18
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TomW - man you scared me. I think we're talking GVWR vs Unloaded weight. I found this in the manual for a 71 Super. I have the Type 111 (manual trans) which as an "unladed weight" of 1807 lbs and a gvwr of 2645 lbs. Looks like I just squeeked by with about 200 lbs to spare. Interestinly the Vert is the heaviest.

I also noticed the 882 lb trailerable weight. Any vintage AS Bambi's out there I could tow behind my VW?

Glen - I started looking at New Beetles too but the weight was an issue on the 345. But boy to they look nice.
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TomW - man you scared me...
Sorry dude!

I agree I must have been mistaken since the last Beetle that rolled off the line only weighed 1786 pounds.

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Old 07-20-2005, 06:55 PM   #20
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Towbar Details

Hooked up the towbar and took some more pics. Plan on adding safety chains (cables) as well from the hitch rings to the vw frame welded towing rings.
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Old 07-20-2005, 07:15 PM   #21
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My last new VW was a 71 Super bug and, as I recalled, it cost about a dollar a pound..lol
This was back just before they later slipped over 2k for cost..
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EeeeeYaaaaaaah!



SWEBSTER, I am scared now!

I just looked at your pix and I could be wrong but the only thing holding your VW is the two welds at the pivot points of your tow bracket.
I think I will post some photos of my tow bracket and I believe it will be apparent the difference of your brackets and the one on my saturn.

I have in the past purchased one of those 75 dollar tow bar assemblies on ebay and welded a bracket on the Toad, I was not comforatable with the set up and replaced with much heavier duty tow bracket. The 75 dollar bracket I refer too was probably three times as strong as the one in the pix you posted.

Respectfully, I apologize for the strong and candid opinion but I would not say it if I did not think so.

THAT IS SCARY!
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Your sure its a 71? (I know that sounds dumb). I thought the reflectors off the bumper brackets was a 1970 only thing on regular beetle. Was it like Oct 1970 build date (making it a 71 model) maybe?

I thing the vent being behind the rear windows was a 1970 was first year as well.

Cool find. Great cars and really starting to come up in value if they are in any kind of shape.
1968-1969 had small front turn signal lenses.
1970-1977 had the elongated front turn signal lens.
1970 had the reflector on the bumper, but no reflector on the side of the taillight housing.
1971-72 had the reflector on the taillight housing.
1973-1977 had the large round taillights.
1975-77 had fuel injection badges on the engine compartment cover.
1971 Super Beetle had a flat windshield (only year, all others had rounded windshields).
And you thought they all were the same!
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Thumbs down Interesting thread ...

This is an interesting thread ...

Great looking VW, I'm sure it will serve you well.

I am curious about one thing though. I haven't owned a MH since selling my last one (2001 - 36' SOB) that towed a Range Rover. I had running lights & signals that worked in concert with the MH. It towed like a dream.

In the past few years, have 'THEY' come out with some rules & requlations that now require the towed vehicle to have operational brakes that function in concert with the MH? I was under the impression that some or all states were going to require this.
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Ken,
I appreciate your opinion. Please post the pic. I have, however, researched this quite a bit (joining a VW forum like this one and reading all the posts on towing, talking to the PO in detail and reading up on towing in back issues of VW Mags, etc). Believe it or not this is "the way" almost all Beetles are flat towed. In fact that bar has been towing around my beetle for over a year with the PO. This bar is made specifically for the Super Beetle. There is another bar for Standard Beetles which clamps to the lower torsion bar but it's pretty much the same bar.

I still have the 5000# bar but figuring out the mounting would require something custom. I'm not sure given the documented history and instructions out there about towing a VW Beetle with this setup that this is not the correct way to go.

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Found this like a while back about supplemental brake requirements by state: http://www.rvsafety.com/StateBrakeLaw.htm. Seems like most state fall back on trailer laws which means anything over 3000#s need breaks for almost every state. Some states are more, a few are down around 1500#s. All states require safety chains and lights.

Terry - know a bit about these little guys huh?
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:11 PM   #26
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FC - Hard to find anything running without holes in the floors for $2K now. As soon as you get into standards and early models the prices really shoot up. But man are those bucket headlights and blade bumpers with the over-riders sweet looking. Someday.....when I have more time maybe.
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:38 PM   #27
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I just had to say thats a sweet ride that you have there. I had a line on a conv. but the Caravel restore took priority !

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I wish you safe traveling.

There is no doubt in my mind that the tow bar assembly is sufficient to tow a VW.

As I said, I would probably use it myself. My concern is that if you had an emergency arise, (I hope not), I think the VW would have its way with that tow bar, IMHO it is not attached in very sufficient manner.

Would you agree that the welds or those little pieces of metal at the pivot point would give way under the stress of your 1600+ lb VW rolling over? Do you believe that that bar would prevent the VW from rolling over?
I feel comforatable that a multi point (read more than two) connection, along with a tow bar that will not pivot at the ball, would prevent the vehicle from rolling over.

The tow bar I have is square and there is no ball on the hitch. It connects directly to the receiver and can only swing horizontally.

I am glad to hear that you will be implementing some back up or failure contingency devices.

I am no authority on tow bars, only know what I have researched and heard stories of (of course they are stories ). Again I apologize for being a pessimist. Just want you to have that nice tow vehicle with you when you arrive to your destination.
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