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11-17-2005, 11:19 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 28' Funeral Coach
Belleview
, Florida
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,635
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I make it a point to tell all my customers that the toll free number rings on my cell phone. I tell them that I do not generally answer while I'm with a customer as one of my pet peeves is when I take the time to go somewhere to do business and the phone rings and the call gets priority.
I make it a habit to return calls as soon as I'm back on the road and also check my email as much as five times a day.
Toll free phone, toll free fax, email, so if you can't reach me it's because I'm out of range, out of time, or on vacation....
Hope the window project doesn't delay your departure for NC. Looking forward to meeting with you.
Glen
P.S. Don't forget to shoot a photo of your back window.
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Glen Coombe AIR #8416
1984 28' Funeral Coach
Former Rolling Showroom & PuttLab (now party bus)
"I'm not an expert. But I did sleep in an Airstream last night."
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11-19-2005, 08:28 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Currently Looking...
Milwaukee
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,935
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Yesterday with the help of my daughter we got all the windows replaced. Chummy has no more plastic or cardboard taped to his shiny body. Hopefully I will get the bottom channels, and one of my kids will stop by to climb the ladder to screw in the outside fixed windows today. The end is near.
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Chaplain Kent
Forest River Forester 2501TS
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11-21-2005, 03:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Currently Looking...
Milwaukee
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,935
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I am finished!!! All but the screens and the interior trim panels oh yeah and the clean up.
Step by step here we go:
1. Drill out rivets on interior trim panels and remove. Check to be certain that the holes are empty to ensure that you can easily re-rivet the trim panel.
2. Remove screen by gently prying the frame inward.
3. Remove the screw holding the plastic bottom slide channel and gently pry up the end of the channel. Grab hold of this end and pull it out.
4. Remove the screw holding the upper plastic slide channel. Note you may not see a channel most of mine had disintegrated but the screws were there and there were small pieces. Remove channel in same fashion as bottom.
5. On the outside of the coach there are two screws holding the fixed window on the front side frame, remove them. Next remove the three screws in each of the top and bottom outside brackets. Do not loose these screws!
6. From the inside using a flat screwdriver and a putty knife gently pry the inside window out of its track from the bottom and remove it.
7. From the outside, gently pry the fixed window out of its track from the bottom and remove it.
8. Scrape away all the old black channel and clean glue residue.
9. Clean off old fuzzy dust seal and apply new seal to fixed window.
10. This is a great time to polish and paint the window frames.
11. I used 8' strips of AS 126896 window channel to replace the channel which was there. I also used a 3M adhesive. This is a 2 person job since the adhesive must be placed on both the channel and the frame.
12. Burn a hole through the weep hole area on the channels so water can weep through.
13. Re-install the windows in the reverse manner.
14. Cut a strip of 3/8 " round foam to fill empty area on bottom of fixed window.
15. Put back the bottom slide channels after spraying them with silicone spray.
16. Put back screws on outside of fixed window, top and bottom bracket and outside frame.
17 Re-install screens and trim panel, tip- paint your trim panels and rivets to match.
One more tip is to number the windows and frames. I did not do this and found it would have been easier to put the same window back in the exact frame it came out of.
The windows are tight but will be tighter when I can think of something to put on the inside top to replace the top track. I had to re-use the old gray vinyl wipers on the indie and outside since Airstream could not come up with a part#. If I ever find this part I will take the windows out and replace it. The last thing is the weep hole covers. I will screw on the screens for now and hope to come up with some idea in the future.
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Chaplain Kent
Forest River Forester 2501TS
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11-21-2005, 08:45 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1982 31' Airstream 310
Longview
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 269
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"I like your little helper"
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11-24-2005, 12:51 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,525
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looks like another good job almost overwith ...always feels good to get one behind you. Luckily my window tracks are still in good shape, and need the vertical rubber wiper only.The front ones were doone last summer.
As for the vertical grey stuff--Not a part we can find?
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01-14-2006, 07:59 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Currently Looking...
Milwaukee
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,935
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Here is the link for the fuzzy wiper and the fuzzy channel I used in for this job. After our first long trip and in the winter I can attest to the tight seal we have on our windows. Not only is it warmer but quieter the road noise was cut dramatically. I encourage you to patronize Steve as he expands his line of goods for our Classic Motor Homes. He is really dedicated to helping we owners of the old Airstream stuff.
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/...lts.asp?Cat=26
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Forest River Forester 2501TS
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01-14-2006, 08:42 AM
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Just a member
1978 28' Argosy 28
Lutz
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,549
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Quote:
I used 8' strips of AS 126896 window channel to replace the channel which was there. I also used a 3M adhesive. This is a 2 person job since the adhesive must be placed on both the channel and the frame.
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Where did you find this stuff, and how much was it????
I need to get some to redo all the windows in my MH and had given up on on ever finding it.
BTW, Great step by step!
Thanks!
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Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
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1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato
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01-14-2006, 09:07 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Currently Looking...
Milwaukee
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,935
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See the post directly above yours. Vintage Trailer Supply. http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/...lts.asp?Cat=26
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Chaplain Kent
Forest River Forester 2501TS
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01-14-2006, 09:42 AM
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Rivet Master
Chesapeake
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 626
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ALANSD
look like a lot of hard work! Always inspirational to get me moving on projects I need to do. You might add a set of wheel sims if you don't have them ,, they are an inexpensive dress up item.
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I don't want to appear stupid (won't be the first time ), but can I assume "wheel sims" are simulated wheel covers? Also, I have to congratulate Chaplain on his tackling this project and giving such detailed information on how he's accomplishing it. My windows don't leak air YET , but I'm sure it's coming . I would like to screen in my back "escape window". It's hinged at the top, but I haven't quit figured out an easy way to prop it open. Maybe put small struts on the window glass and a fabricate a removable screen? Has anyone tackled something like this?
Tim
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01-14-2006, 12:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaplain Kent
The snow is piling up and the wind is flying. The plastic on Chummy's windows blew away once and has been replaced with cardboard. I will have to use scarpers to remove the duct tape residue on the polished body after it is finaly removed.
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One word: WD-40
That stuff will dissolve just about any adhesive off of just about anything. Spray it on the duct tape residue, wait 30 seconds and wipe off with a paper towel. Turn the towels frequently and replace often. After all the residue is off, wash with a mild detergent to get the WD-40 off.
Tin Lizzie
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01-14-2006, 05:02 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,525
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yes to the wheel sim question...they are chrome covers that make the heels look like fancy rims at a fraction of the cost. My Moho came with them and with a good shine they really look fine. Not as nice as Alcoa aluminum rims, though.
You can get a set for non tag axle models for under 300, I guess another 150 or so for the tag axle models.
Check my photos to see what they look like.
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01-16-2006, 07:41 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Currently Looking...
Milwaukee
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,935
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"A tad under $300.00" for wheel shims. Well, my list is divided between functional , necessary and decorative with decorative coming in at # 48. Maybe someday when I hit the lottery after I finally buy a ticket.
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Chaplain Kent
Forest River Forester 2501TS
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01-19-2006, 07:08 PM
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Rivet Master
Chesapeake
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 626
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Fuzzy Channel Has Arrived
OK, Guys, today I got the fuzzy channel for my front side windows. After reading repeatedly how some of you did the removal and installation, I'm anxious to get this job done. It's about the only thing on my "new" 370 that isn't like new. I got the fuzzy channel from Vintage Trailer Supply (along with a 2006 Airstream calendar ). Just as soon as I get this water hose installation finished I'm ready to get on the window channels.
Tim
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01-20-2006, 08:50 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Currently Looking...
Milwaukee
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,935
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Don't forget to order the weep hole covers. I got mine yesterday and they look just like the originals. They even had the screen in place.
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Forest River Forester 2501TS
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01-20-2006, 08:56 AM
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Rivet Master
Chesapeake
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 626
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaplain Kent
Don't forget to order the weep hole covers. I got mine yesterday and they look just like the originals. They even had the screen in place.
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I have the originals, and a spare new one. I'm hoping to be able to reuse the ones I have, but we'll see. I guess I can always go back to Vintage and order any I destroy . Did you get yours from Vintage? Thanks.
Tim
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09-04-2006, 06:22 PM
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Rivet Master
Chesapeake
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 626
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Quote:
Originally Posted by noiva
OK, Guys, today I got the fuzzy channel for my front side windows. After reading repeatedly how some of you did the removal and installation, I'm anxious to get this job done. It's about the only thing on my "new" 370 that isn't like new. I got the fuzzy channel from Vintage Trailer Supply (along with a 2006 Airstream calendar ). Just as soon as I get this water hose installation finished I'm ready to get on the window channels.
Tim
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Hate to quote myself , but I still haven't done the front side windows. However, we just had the remains of Tropical Storm Ernesto come thru last Thursday and Friday. Took the Blimp out this weekend and discovered the side windows had finally begun to leak , sooooo it's time to bite the bullet (Blimp) and get this job done . Don't really like the maps in the side pockets getting wet, even if they were only severely damp . I've got print-outs of all you who detailed the process , so I'm getting on this ASAP. If anyone has any updates on the process, I'd be grateful to know.
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Tim
1987 30P
2003 Suburban 2500
AIR # 5648
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09-05-2006, 10:56 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1982 28' Airstream 280
Norfolk
, Virginia
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 135
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Tim,
I did this same thing to most of my windows two years ago, and did it differently than previously described.
I was working alone, so I did not have the company of a helpfull son-in-law. My windows were really tight in their frames, so I removed the channel first. I took out the screen, plastic divider, then the little screws on the outside jam brackets. With that I was able to slide the fixed window to the rear. That allowed access to the channel. It came out like everyone else will discover: A chisel, a bent screwdriver chisel, hammer, and most of the cuss words you know. A blood sacrifice is also usually required.
Anyway, with the channel out, I slid the fixed window back, but it still would not clear the frame! I guess I am a bit too cautious, but I will never get a hammer too near a window I do not intend to break, which is just my luck. So I marked the top frame using the window as a guide. I them took a file to the frame and removed just enough to get the window out by prying it with a chisel. My idea was that when the new channel went in, it would move the window up enough to hold it in place (it did). You can then remove the movable window. I had to use the file a bit more.
Get the rest of the old adhesive out following the same method as the channel. 3M Adhesive remover can help some. File off any rough edges.
I had to put the glass in first, then the channel. I used 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive to hold in the new channel. Don't forget to punch out the weatherstrip around the weep holes. I wish I was as smart as Chaplin Kent and painted my frames at the same time. Oh, well, another day.
I must admit that I am trying to recall something I did two years ago, and I usually don't remember what I ate for dinner two days ago. I have a few notes, but they seem to be rather cryptic now, so I probably have missed a few things. Hope this helps.
We only had 9" of rain with Ernesto, Tim. A little water is not too bad.
Good luck to you with your project.
Steve
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09-05-2006, 11:58 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 27' Overlander
1954 26' Romany Cruiser
1960 26' Overlander
Rockingham County
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,410
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaplain Kent
Here is the link for the fuzzy wiper and the fuzzy channel I used in for this job. After our first long trip and in the winter I can attest to the tight seal we have on our windows. Not only is it warmer but quieter the road noise was cut dramatically. I encourage you to patronize Steve as he expands his line of goods for our Classic Motor Homes. He is really dedicated to helping we owners of the old Airstream stuff.
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/...lts.asp?Cat=26
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Looks like a good winter project for me! I'll be usin the link above, Thanks Kent!
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'74 Overlander (T-O-Bee)
'46 Spartan Manor (Rosie)
'54 Cruiser (Bogart)
'60 Overlander (Hoagy)
2007 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Duramax
WBCCI 1754 - AIR # 6281
www.balrgn.com
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09-05-2006, 11:59 AM
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Rivet Master
Chesapeake
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 626
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Steve,
I remember that in one of our earlier PMs (I think) you discussed the way you did your windows. As always, I'm appreciative of any help I can get. I've taken the liberty of printing out your instructions. Frankly, I think the fact that you did this by yourself is amazing. Everyone who's logged in on this says to get a helper first. Regardless, I've got to tackle this thing soon. I really don't want any more moisture inside if I can avoid it. Pulling wet maps out of the side pockets was somewhat discouraging - to say the least . Apparently, some of these MoHos had thoroughly glued in channels, and others seem to just pull out. Typical, I suppose. It will be interesting to see how easily mine comes out.
I'm not complaining about getting the rain. It did take one day off a 3-day weekend, but I'll settle for the water. Besides, I'm not sure I would have found this leak if the volume of water hadn't been so great.
Thanks for the help. (I just looked outside, and it's raining again .)
Best,
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Tim
1987 30P
2003 Suburban 2500
AIR # 5648
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09-05-2006, 12:33 PM
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Rivet Master
Chesapeake
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 626
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Quote:
Originally Posted by balrgn
Looks like a good winter project for me! I'll be usin the link above, Thanks Kent!
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Fortunately, I had the advantage of Chaplain Kent's sharing, as well as many others, so I have all the materials. Vintage Trailer Supply is certainly among the best in trying to get materials, even if they don't stock them when you call. I did have to get a few things at other places, and got burned on the shipping and HANDLING . Might want to be sure you know what those charges are if you have to order any of the window parts from other places .
Good luck to both of us .
Best,
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1987 30P
2003 Suburban 2500
AIR # 5648
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