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05-02-2015, 09:41 PM
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New Member
2015 Interstate Coach
Vacaville
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1
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Scared of Dry Camping in New Interstate
So... our family just received our Airstream Interstate, and the first night out ended up as a campground without electrical hookup. We didn't really use any power during the evening (we arrived at a time when generators were not allowed), and only used electricity to power electric blankets x2 (yes... we are new to "camping").
Should I be worried that we will drain the battery? What type of power output can these batteries supply between settling into the camp site until the next AM where we either drive, or can turn on the generator to re-charge the battery?
I flipped the solenoid to the propane in order to save juice. But I'm just not sure how to manage the charge for an evening out without hook-up. Kiddos always want to watch a little TV. Am I crazy to be worried about one night of juice?
Any input or suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks
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05-03-2015, 06:02 AM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
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I don't know if I would use the word "worried"
You need to find out what the total capacity of your batteries are and don't use much more than half of that capacity. Trimetric makes a great meter for tracking your battery use. There is absolutely nothing wrong with dry camping as long as you are informed. I do it routinely for up to a week at a time. I use solar to keep my batteries topped up. Only time I have to really watch it is in the winter time when I run the furnace, the blower is a real battery hog. Things like electric blankets, coffee pots and hair dryers can pull a battery bank down real quick.
Aaron
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05-03-2015, 08:02 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 22' Safari
Hilltop Lakes
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,764
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Try replacing the electric blankets with warm, cozy sleeping bags. We have LLBean's "camp bags" and they do a good job for us. We also keep a few Walmart comforters in the Airstream.
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05-03-2015, 02:30 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Normal
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 18,066
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Sleeping bags or fleece blankets....yes.
I would suggest de-teching, as much as possible, when dry camping, rather than loading up and hoping you make it thru.
No one likes middle of the night surprises.
Maybe download a movie onto the Ipad or laptop, or let the kids do games, etc., as an alternative to television.
My grands have a folder full of apps on the IPad, and the battery on it lasts a long time.
Have fun, and let us know how it all works out.
Maggie
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05-03-2015, 04:27 PM
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Rivet Master
1976 31' Sovereign
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Did not take tele. even when both boys were in diapers. I grew up before tele. so many things to do. My boys grew up on farm they watched a little tele. but not addicted. Also we do not go camping to watch tele. but enjoy camp fires and out doors. But each to there own thing. As far how long power will last for you but we dry camped long before hook ups, still do. If cg has hook ups I will use electric only, bring bottled water for drinking food prep. fresh water filled at home used for sanitary purpose only. I sanitize every yr. have filter in system but tin can 39 yrs. old will not use for cooking etc. i'm cheap as I fill gal. jugs at home for reason I have well water that I like better as most bottled water comes from city water taps as investigating teams have proven.
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05-04-2015, 06:15 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Most camping experience comes from trial and error. Learn from your mistakes and others. Have fun, it's supposed to be FUN, don't overthink it. Especially in your Interstate, you are very mobile. At any time you can fire up the engine and move. You are not trapped at the campground. Peace,jim
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05-04-2015, 06:48 AM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
, More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,868
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Interstates are not ideal for dry camping. However, it is entirely possible to dry-camp in them. The two main drawbacks to an Interstate compared to a trailer with regard to dry-camping are:
1 - The fridge is all-electric, and uses a fair amount of battery power even when you're off the grid.
2 - You need to "save" enough battery power to start the generator, so you shouldn't run the batteries down to about 50% before charging— 50% power isn't necessarily enough to fire up the on-board generator. Once the batteries get too low to start the generator, your best option is relocate to a venue with shore power, or plan on driving for a while to recharge the batteries from the engine alternator— the alternator is the same as the generator, just running at idle won't efficiently charge the batteries.
You should plan on running the generator daily to recharge the house batteries. A good time to run the generator is while you're preparing dinner— it lets you use the microwave/convection oven, which will NOT run from battery power.
Generators operate most efficiently when loaded to 50% to 75% of their rated capacity, and charging the batteries will actually take longer if all you're doing is charging the batteries, because the generator will chug along at idle speed. Since you have to run the generator anyway, take full advantage of it and use appliances that you wouldn't (or couldn't) use on battery power.
Fortunately, you carry a lot of propane in your on-board tank. A little over 14 gallons, or about 60 pounds, every bit as much as one of the trailers. Running the generator for an hour uses about 5 pounds of propane, and an hour of generator time should usually be enough to charge your batteries.
I believe MILATV is our resident expert on dry-camping in an Interstate. He's certainly done a lot of it while traveling for business. Hopefully he'll chime in if he has any advice the rest of us have forgotten or never knew.
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05-04-2015, 08:17 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Normal
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Older Interstates, such as mine, run the frig on electricity when plugged in....and propane when not.
Very handy for dry camping.
I generally just start my engine before starting the generator, which gives everything a boost and then doesn't take the generator as long to start. Often, I will let the engine run 15 minutes or so, as well, to give those batteries a boost as I use the dash 12volt to charge phone, IPad, etc.
I have been very pleased with the Onan in the Interstate. Once we dealt with the wasp nest in the pipe, and screened over to prevent that recurring, have had no problems with it whatsoever.
Maggie
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05-04-2015, 10:53 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2000 36' Land Yacht XC Diesel
Fresno
, California
Join Date: Mar 2015
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One word: solar. You can have them permanently installed on the roof or you can buy a portable unit that folds out which you plug your shore power directly into. Even on my 36' class A you can drain the batteries in a heartbeat if you're not careful. On the rare occasions I dry camp (which was similar to your experience) I was able to watch TV, use my satellite, and anything but the micro and AC on solar. I hate dry camping but sometimes things happen and with solar you'll be able to (as I call it) schmamp in comfort.
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05-04-2015, 07:00 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 Interstate Ext. Coach
Tega Cay
, South Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 135
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I have been reading this thread as I am also afraid of dry camping. one thing I was wondering about is how can you tell if your solar panel is working?
Gloria
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05-04-2015, 07:13 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Normal
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Others will help with technical things, but I can tell you that dry camoing is a leap of faith.
If your frig is working and water pump, the rest you will figure out as you go.
It is a learning curve, but you will get it figured out......and then, the world is yours.
Maggie
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05-04-2015, 07:24 PM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gghayes
I have been reading this thread as I am also afraid of dry camping. one thing I was wondering about is how can you tell if your solar panel is working?
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There is a small status display for your solar panel inside your control panel in the curb-side rear overhead locker. It has only one digital display, but four modes, toggled by pressing the button on the panel.
One item of note— the stock solar panel on an Interstate isn't really big enough to be used as a battery charger. The main thing the panel is good for is to provide a "float" charge to keep the house batteries topped up while the van is in outdoor storage. Assuming the batteries were fully charged when you parked it, they should still be fully charged when you come back to it, even weeks later— as long as you didn't leave anything turned on.
If you let the batteries run down to a 50% charge, it will literally take DAYS of uninterrupted charging for the solar panel alone to bring them back to 100%, even if you shut off everything that uses house battery power. While you're dry-camping do NOT rely on your solar panel. It's not up to the task, so when you work out your energy budget pretend like the panel isn't even there.
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05-04-2015, 10:24 PM
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Rivet Master
1962 28' Ambassador
1961 19' Globetrotter
1962 26' Overlander
Mesa
, Arizona
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Not trying to minimize the apprehension but you could think of it like this: dry camping or boondocking is sort of like a picnic or a night under the stars.
No lights, no problem, have a couple of expandable battery lanterns. Light up your inside and outside.
No heater, no problem, a decent sleeping bag and some blankets. Leave a light layer of clothing on if your not sure how chilly it will get. I even took a duvet off my bed at home one year to put on top of the sleeping bag as it was going to freeze.
No fridge, no problem, take some non perishables that are still comfortable for putting together a meal.
No potty, no problem, a bucket works if needed.
Point is you can do this. Its new and you haven't worked out the unknowns but with each trip it will be more comfortable. Take a friend, a phone, water, clothing and snacks and have a blast.
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05-04-2015, 11:53 PM
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
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To answer the question directly: If we're camping without shore power, we don't use power-hungry items such as electric blankets or TV. We focus instead on low-power camping experiences, use sleeping bags and/or more blankets, go to bed earlier, and save batteries for operating the fridge and the water pump.
Happy boondocking!
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05-05-2015, 07:01 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2000 36' Land Yacht XC Diesel
Fresno
, California
Join Date: Mar 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gghayes
I have been reading this thread as I am also afraid of dry camping. one thing I was wondering about is how can you tell if your solar panel is working?
Gloria
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What's kind of funny is I've praised the power of solar but ever since mine were installed I have no idea how to make them work. I'm taking my rig to the dealer this week to finally find out. I know that I had enough installed that I was never supposed to have to worry about the dead refrigerator ever again, and yet once again I'm having to jump my motorhome batteries. Go figure. What can I say I avoid dry camping like the plague and have a very quiet generator. Big I spent thousands on solar so one day I'd like to know how to make them work.
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05-05-2015, 08:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2024 Interstate 19
Fulton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LucasS
What's kind of funny is I've praised the power of solar but ever since mine were installed I have no idea how to make them work. I'm taking my rig to the dealer this week to finally find out. I know that I had enough installed that I was never supposed to have to worry about the dead refrigerator ever again, and yet once again I'm having to jump my motorhome batteries. Go figure. What can I say I avoid dry camping like the plague and have a very quiet generator. Big I spent thousands on solar so one day I'd like to know how to make them work.
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How big is your battery pack and how much solar do you have? Then what is your daily load? These facts determine if you have an adequate system to attempt dry camping.
- - Mike
2013 Lounge EXT on 2012 Sprinter
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05-05-2015, 08:30 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2000 36' Land Yacht XC Diesel
Fresno
, California
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Well I had 1200 watts worth of panels installed (literally most of my roof is a solar array now.) I know that from there it goes down to my chassis battery compartment which is right behind the entry door on my '00 XC Diesel. There's a monitor that reads out...well I don't know what it does axfually. The power is stored in four deep cycle batteries they connected some weird way. I bought this kit to start and added extra solar panels: Rakuten.com my problem is that the readout makes smiley or frowny faces instead of spelling it out for me. So far it's been a $2000+ waste. I literally only had them installed so I could leave my refrigerator on without plugging the shore power into my house as (long story) it trips the breakers the second I plug it in.
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05-06-2015, 08:43 AM
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Rivet Master
2024 Interstate 19
Fulton
, Maryland
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If you actually have 1,200 watts of solar panels and only paid $2,000 then the problem is likely system quality. I paid over $3,000 for a 400 watt solar system that I installed myself. I got the system from AM Solar and it is top quality.
Using the stock 160 AH Lifeline AGM batteries I can now dry camp for 4-5 days without issues. I run the refrigerator, make a couple of K-cup coffees in the morning and watch a DVD video in the evening. With my setup the only electrical limitation is no AC or microwave unless I run the generator or plug into external power. I use a Hamilton Beach K-cup brewing machine that only draws 600 watts and can be used with the 1,000 watt inverter.
The water tank sizes now limits my dry camping capability.
- - Mike
2013 Lounge EXT on 2012 Sprinter
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05-06-2015, 09:05 AM
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Rivet Master
2024 Interstate 19
Fulton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LucasS
Well I had 1200 watts worth of panels installed (literally most of my roof is a solar array now.) I know that from there it goes down to my chassis battery compartment which is right behind the entry door on my '00 XC Diesel. There's a monitor that reads out...well I don't know what it does axfually. The power is stored in four deep cycle batteries they connected some weird way. I bought this kit to start and added extra solar panels: Rakuten.com my problem is that the readout makes smiley or frowny faces instead of spelling it out for me. So far it's been a $2000+ waste. I literally only had them installed so I could leave my refrigerator on without plugging the shore power into my house as (long story) it trips the breakers the second I plug it in.
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I just looked at those systems on the Rakuten.com web site. First problem I see is the use of 10 gauge wire. That is not big enough for 400 watts much less 1,200 watts. That small wire size causes a large voltage drop and ensures your batteries never get properly charged. I also noticed it uses a ViewStar 30A PWM Charge Controller, which is not going to get the maximum power from the solar panels. The PWM (Pulse Wave Modulation) controller combined with the small wire size really limits the solar capacity. Another variable is how the panels are wired. If in series then any shading of a panel cuts the total power output. If in parallel only the shaded panel is effected and the other panels can put out full power.
The AM solar "Sun Runner" system I installed uses 6 gauge wire for 400 watts and includes a MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking) controller made in USA by Blue Sky.
http://www.amsolar.com/home/amr/page...6pro_core.html
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2013 Lounge EXT on 2012 Sprinter
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05-06-2015, 09:07 AM
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1995 30' Excella
Bowie
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Suggestion for those afraid: Go to a campground with electricity. Don't plug in. Try to rough it. Plug in when you would run the generator, then unplug. See how it goes.
And remember to have fun! It's supposed to be fun.
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