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Old 12-28-2010, 09:27 PM   #43
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have you checked your battery terminals, liquid levels, VOLTs

Your inverter is no better than the batteries providing the 12 volt power to the Inverter.

Many times new batteries are required annually.

A slight power drain overnight can deplete the batteries to the point that the Inverter will not function.

There should be at least 4 6 volt golf cart batteries on a separate circuit for the proper use of the inverter.

House batteries should NOT be hooked to the Inverter, Ever.
John,

Sorry, but I have to take exception to your last statement. Where did you get this information? EVERY motorhome that I have ever worked on (over 1000 at this point) that has an inverter has them connected directly to the house batteries WHERE ELSE DO YOU SUGGEST CONNECTING THEM? When ever I do a solar installation with a new inverter, it is ALWAYS connected to the house batteries.

Quality inverters and inverter/chargers have adjustable cut-off levels so that the inverter will NOT draw down the batteries past the point of no return. And while I am a big advocate of 6VDC golf cart batteries, there are many, many installations that use parallel connections of 12VDC deep cycle batteries.

And what type of batteries require annual replacement? If you are referring to the garbage that Wal*Mart sells..maybe. I have been installing Lifeline AGM batteries for my clients for 5 years and have yet to replace one of them........and they ALL use minimum 2000 watt inverters drawing directly from these batteries.

Proper battery charging is key to long life. A quality inverter/charger or converter will have automatic 3-stage charging and will be adjustable for the type of battery bank being charged, unlike the units that are supplied by Airstream in the trailers they build. If you are looking for an inverter, check out the made in USA Magnum line as they have a fully adjustable charging section for any battery bank. Further, I have been using IOTA converters with the DLS feature and find that these keep the Lifeline batteries properly charged as their charging profile most closely resembles what Lifeline recommends for their batteries.

Please qualify your statements before misleading the folks reading this thread.

Thanks for your indulgence.
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:48 PM   #44
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I run my 1000-watt Technivorm coffee maker when boondocking, and our 2000-watt inverter handles it fine, though DH would prefer I use the stove top, and he's probably right. We keep batteries charged with solar.
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:15 PM   #45
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Your inverter is no better than the batteries providing the 12 volt power to the Inverter.

Many times new batteries are required annually.

A slight power drain overnight can deplete the batteries to the point that the Inverter will not function.

There should be at least 4 6 volt golf cart batteries on a separate circuit for the proper use of the inverter.

House batteries should NOT be hooked to the Inverter, Ever.
Just to clarify the terms:
House batteries are the supply for the heavy load the living home requires.
Chassis batteries are those required to start and run the automotive needs of the unit.

Some units have more than other "house batteries" depending on what the need.
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:16 PM   #46
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We're another 'convert' to the Aerobie 'press' type coffee maker mentioned above...it's well made of Lexan type, strong, clear plastic...

AeroPress® | AEROBIE® High Performance Sport Toys

We got ours about two years ago, and haven't gone back to the electric coffee maker since! It's so simple to use, as you only have to give the small filter holder and the mixing stick a quick rinse, using hardly any fresh water...

We are rich, French Roast bean, 'black' coffee type drinkers, and the Aerobie gives us great Cafe American each morning...

1. you place a small, 'silver dollar' sized filter in the holder and attach it to the bottom of the 'press'...
2. heat the water to 175 degrees - we use a pencil type thermometer when necessary...
3. place the press on top of the cup and add 2 measured scoops (comes with press) med-fine ground coffee to the top of the press...
4. add hot water up to the '2' mark...
5. stir the grounds for 10 seconds with the paddle...
6. place the 'injector' part into the press body and slowly press down till all the liquid is run through the grounds..
7. remove press from cup, remove bottom filter cover, and press the 'puck' of ground coffee into your trash can...
8. the coffee in your cup is essentially 'espresso' - now just fill the cup with more hot water, mix and enjoy your freshly brewed Cafe American elixir...yummy
9 - it takes longer to write this than it does to make the coffee!

You can't believe the pure coffee taste without any bitterness when using the Aerobie - you can still add all that 'yucky' stuff if you drink your java that way, but for us, the only way to really enjoy that 'taste' you seek coffee for in the first place, is to drink it 'a natural' - Ah, I can smell the aroma just thinking about it!

We use a small kettle to boil our water on the stove when in the AS, and use our Microwave to heat the water at home...

We picked up a square, cloth lined basket to keep our coffee maker, grinder, filters, thermometer, etc. stored in - that way we can grab the basket and hit the road...

Our local Super Market has their own coffee bean roasting facility and deliver fresh bulk-beans to their stores each week...

I ran into the 'coffee guy' one morning, telling him how we enjoyed his 'product'...I told him I usually waited till the beans went on 'sale' and then bought several pounds to stock up...

he showed me the 5 # bags they pack their fresh roasted beans in, and offered to 'stash' a 5-pounder whenever they go on sale...so now I have my own French Roast 'connection' that puts my beans in a hidden compartment near the bulk beans...

We use our foodsaver vac device to make up 8 oz bags of those succulent, glossy, oily, French Roast beans that stay 'fresh' to the last grind...

Ah, coffee, one of life's few remaining pleasures these days...

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Is it possible to run a 110v coffee maker off the batteries? I thought I did it once when I got the rig 10 years ago, but the coffee maker I have now doesn't work and sounds like it's blowing a circuit breaker after 15 seconds or so.
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Everything works fine with the generator on but I hate firing the Onan to make coffee at 6AM.


If you have an adaquate battery bank, fully charged, and in good condition, you should be able to run a coffee pot.
However, if the supply is marginal, and you then want or need power for other uses, such as toaster shortly after, why not heat the coffee water on the stove top and save the power for the toaster.
Your own experience will lead you to the correct solution given enough time.

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Old 12-29-2010, 04:44 PM   #48
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John,

Sorry, but I have to take exception to your last statement. Where did you get this information? EVERY motorhome that I have ever worked on (over 1000 at this point) that has an inverter has them connected directly to the house batteries WHERE ELSE DO YOU SUGGEST CONNECTING THEM? When ever I do a solar installation with a new inverter, it is ALWAYS connected to the house batteries.

Quality inverters and inverter/chargers have adjustable cut-off levels so that the inverter will NOT draw down the batteries past the point of no return. And while I am a big advocate of 6VDC golf cart batteries, there are many, many installations that use parallel connections of 12VDC deep cycle batteries.

And what type of batteries require annual replacement? If you are referring to the garbage that Wal*Mart sells..maybe. I have been installing Lifeline AGM batteries for my clients for 5 years and have yet to replace one of them........and they ALL use minimum 2000 watt inverters drawing directly from these batteries.

Proper battery charging is key to long life. A quality inverter/charger or converter will have automatic 3-stage charging and will be adjustable for the type of battery bank being charged, unlike the units that are supplied by Airstream in the trailers they build. If you are looking for an inverter, check out the made in USA Magnum line as they have a fully adjustable charging section for any battery bank. Further, I have been using IOTA converters with the DLS feature and find that these keep the Lifeline batteries properly charged as their charging profile most closely resembles what Lifeline recommends for their batteries.

Please qualify your statements before misleading the folks reading this thread.

Thanks for your indulgence.
I am talking for maximum performance and long term usages of an Inverter system. I am NOT saying that there are any Motor homes set up for a true inverter power system, But they could be.
For the past 10 years we have we have lived on a houseboat with a 4,000 watt Trace Inverter system that will power certain and specific appliances for Two to three days. For marine applications this is quite common and some have Two 4,000 watt systems tied together for 240 service. from 1990 to 2000 we had a H.B. with a 3,000 watt unit and 6 , 6 volt batteries

Yes, we have a bank of deep cycle house batteries with an 80 amp 3 way charger system. these batteries take care of everything the House batteries on a coach do. and we can Plug into the dock to charge or run the generator 8 on and 8 off when on the lake to keep the House batteries charged. sometimes one can go 3 to 5 days also depending on how one manages their power usage.
Then we have 8 6 volt Heavy duty Golf cart batteries for every 4,000 watt Inverter. I have 12, 6 volt on mine. For additional capacity. and 120 usage can be readily available for 2 to 3 days, again, determined by managing the power usage.

all marine units with Inverters on Houseboats and small Yachts are wired this way to provide adequate Power and comfort. For long term voyages and outings, cruises. Live aboard s
I was quite surprised that coaches are not utilizing the same system. Maybe weight ? maybe cost ?


I am Now re wiring and adding 4, 6 volt heavy duty batteries to our A.S. unit on a separate and specific system Like the marine units. the H.B. I hope I can have at least 24 hrs of unlimited use of the 1200 watt unit the PO installed. If not, I will install a 2500 watt unit depending on availability.
I will let you know how this works.
If you have any suggestions ? Please let me know, this is one of my winter projects so we will see how this goes. ??? hehehe, always an adventure.

There are people living OFF the grid across the country utilizing solar power, a Bank of Inverters and a separate system for House batteries. many have been doing this now for some 15 to 20 years.
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:00 PM   #49
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( And what type of batteries require annual replacement? If you are referring to the garbage that Wal*Mart sells..maybe. I have been installing Lifeline AGM batteries for my clients for 5 years and have yet to replace one of them........and they ALL use minimum 2000 watt inverters drawing directly from these batteries. ) end of quote

I well understand, I was referring to batteries NOT serviced properly and yes, I have seen airstream owners in the Wall mart purchasing House batteries. ( our PO did ).
we got 100 miles down the road and installed RV, marine deep cycle batteries on the way home from pickup. They have served well for 3 years now.
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:15 PM   #50
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Just to clarify the terms:
House batteries are the supply for the heavy load the living home requires.
Chassis batteries are those required to start and run the automotive needs of the unit.

Some units have more than other "house batteries" depending on what the need.
Dave
correct Dave

1. I have a Starter battery
2. 3 RV marine Deep cycle house batteries, currently, also powering the inverter. soon to change I hope.
3. ( then I will have the Inverter batteries for and specifically for the Inverter. )
3 separate systems

some have additional battery's for accessories, Stereo systems and Other ???
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:39 PM   #51
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This is what I may end up with ? We will see how this project goes.

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Old 12-29-2010, 05:50 PM   #52
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Old 12-29-2010, 06:00 PM   #53
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these sites can also be useful for those boon-dockers and or live aboard full time RVrs


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1. I have a Starter battery
2. 3 RV marine Deep cycle house batteries, currently, also powering the inverter. soon to change I hope.
3. ( then I will have the Inverter batteries for and specifically for the Inverter. )
3 separate systems

some have additional battery's for accessories, Stereo systems and Other ???
John
I also have 3 battery banks on my MH, each charged individually by solar, generator, chassis alternator, or shore. They are tied up thru a Surepower separator, (details on another post) and can also be separated manually from the cockpit by solenoid if needed.
For maint. records I refer to Banks 1,2,3.
Bank 2 runs the main inverter, while 3 runs a 1000 watt inverter used for the electronics in the cockpit.
It is expensive at replacement time so shopping is a must. Presently using 4 x Trojan T105's on #2 bank and a single 12V deep cycle on #3.

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