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Old 08-19-2014, 08:42 AM   #29
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I wonder; What would happen if you drove a ground rod and connected it to the inverter?
There is a difference between the shore power source main panel and the inverter generator in that the shore power neutral and ground are bonded at the source; the panel in your house is bonded, if not a sub panel. The panel in the coach is considered a sub panel when connected to the house panel. But! When the coach is connected to the inverter generator there is no main panel; the panel in the coach becomes the main panel. Thus the need for the jumper between the neutral and ground. To make the bonded connection.
Unless there is a physical connection to earth ground. The inverter generator is NOT truly grounded. As with the power company source.
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Old 08-19-2014, 09:17 AM   #30
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Ground rod won't help and may cause gfci to trip

Read my post above, and the one after it. Inside the generator the neutral and ground are not connected. The surge suppressor wants them to be like they are in regular house and campground wiring. A jumper from neutral to ground is the likely fix.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:55 AM   #31
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The Hondas do not have a ground/neutral which will show a fault with a circuit checker. My trailer also has an internal Surge Guard but it is only on the Shore Power connection. The generator connection on the front of the trailer does not go through the surge protector which I understand is the way it should be. Logic I assume is that a generator is unlikely to spike enough to do damage. Just remember not to connect the Generator outlet to shore power.

Rich with the model you have it would logical that there is a remote indicator someplace in the trailer that will give you messages. Easy to install if you don't have one. If both circuits, shore and gen, are wired through the 40250 it sounds like it might have gone bad. Just looking at the Surge Guard site that model seems to have an automatic transfer switch built in. If you can see the unit there are display lights to tell you if it is getting power.

Optional 2-line plain English display (display p/n 40272 & cable p/n 40258) with continuous visual indication of source voltage (L1, L2), load current or diagnostics. LCD technology
Transfers to generator power automatically when energized after 30 second delay in generator mode. When both shore power and generator power are available, generator dominates after a 20-30 second delay. Once the generator is shut down, shore power activates after a 3-4 second delay.
Indicator lights on the front of the ATS indicate the presence of input power for L1 and L2.

All of this being said this might be a situation that without a valid ground/neutral that with a modified plug being used on the Honda's they won't work with the Surge Guard. Someplace I seem to remember that someone contacted them and they sent a diagram/photo of how to make a modified plug.

See this post and others like it: https://www.heartlandowners.org/arch...p/t-26375.html
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:14 AM   #32
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TG is correct. The better solutions are to wire a plug with a white-green jumper as he suggested or put the jumper in the trailer wiring for the generator (the front connector). As he points out you don't want the jumper in place in the shore power connection because it could trip a GFCI breaker in the campground.
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Old 08-19-2014, 09:55 PM   #33
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Thanks to everyone who kicked in to help. Got the tester, and as you all predicted, it showed an open ground from all generator outlets. The jumper solved the problem, and everything works just fine now.

I wish all problems could be solved with the help if friends you beer met and a few pennies worth of wire! Hope I can help you all some day!
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