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Old 02-21-2005, 01:41 AM   #15
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I thought the same thing about the 1/4". Why not use 1/8"?

Your wood work looks fantastic.
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I'm planning to use an aluminum track for the lexan. Ideally I'll find something like an E track locally (instead of ordering online). I made up a test door using 1/8" lexan and hitting it with the orbital to try and get that frosted look. It turned out nicely but I think it's too thin to serve as a door.

I'm worried about using the 1/4" ply. I tried a test bend last night with a two foot section. I ended up back cutting 1/8" grooves 1/8" apart where the panel needed to bend. But it cracked about halfway through the bend.

I'll do another test tonight, not making the back cut as deep and I'll also try some hot water. This radius has always bothered me as it's a pretty tight bend for plywood yest needs to be fairly strong when it's done. Maybe I just need to back down to 1/8".

Bending plywood is something I could use some advice on.
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Old 02-21-2005, 08:07 AM   #17
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looks like a great start. We were at an RV show yesterday and I was all over those CCD cabinets with the light wood. The dark closet and other doors looked great in contrast.
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Yes. I love the way CCDs just "feel good" and looks like no other RV on the market.

We'll be staining the bulkeads and middle bath section in ebony. I did a little test section and it looked great. I think the combination of the birch lockers and cabinets faces against ebony frames & bulkeads along with the aluminum interior walls will acheive the look we're going for.
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Looks great. Keep the plans you might get some orders when its done. What I would do for the backing is take two pieces of 1/8" ply (or however many you want) and laminate them together. I would create some type of jig that has the correct curve you are looking for and use that to curve the wood. I don't think you would have to wet the would or anything. I'm not sure what type of glue you would use. Might be able to use the same type of glue they use for laminating countertops. Judging from your woodworking skills this shouldn't be to hard, just time consuming.

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Thanks for the encouragement.

Well I've been "goofing off" at work for the last hour or so researching plywood bending techniques. On the advice of 87MH I think steam bending is in my future.

Seems like there could be a couple of ways to do this:

Since I'll be steaming the middle of a large piece of plywood I think a PVC pipe, capped and vented at the far end with two long horizontal slits cut in it could slide over the ply. Then a fitting on the other end could provide the inlet for the steam. I'm pretty confident this will work but I may try another method first.

Found this site from a guy who is building a Falco kit plane and steam bending the leading edge of the wings using an electric iron and a wet towel (http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Win...WingSkins.html)
The iron and towel is certainly something I could try easily.

Trying to find a local source for 1/8" birch ply.
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I've been searching high and low about how to bend birch. I think the method involves steaming, but that you would need a fairly large "oven" to make it work. How about boiling some water and running the steam from it back and forth infront of thet wood. You could heat it to boiling (metal pot), and use your torch to keep it going?
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Slotted Steamer

Here is a quick diagram of the Slotted PVC Pipe Steamer.
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I was going to panel the inside of my mh at one time. I made a big bending jig that was basically the curve of the wall to bend 4x8 sheets. I broke a couple of sheets of 1/4" paneling, but then got a couple done before abandoning the idea. From the floor to about the top of the windows it wasn't hard, pieces of 2x4 across the width clamped to the frame of the jig with bar clamps. Above that got harder and I had to pull the panels down a little at a time. All I did was soak them well with water a few times a day, give the clamps a turn or so at a time, left the whole thing out in the sun. It took about 2 days to form and I let is sit another day before taking it off, but it did fit the curve inside with no problem.

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Here is a quick diagram of the Slotted PVC Pipe Steamer.
So now all we need is some 1/8 in birch and a source for steam. Any ideas for the steam source?
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Saw a number of scary steam generating ideas online. Most of which involved an old metal gas can, a propane burner and a flexible tube. All of them were definately an "outside" kind of thing. I think if it comes to it a tea kettle and a hotplate would work.
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Here is a quick diagram of the Slotted PVC Pipe Steamer.
Yeah, Steven.....just a quick diagram.....

Since you're in Kentucky, I'm sure "Bubba and the Boys" could fix you right up!
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Ha! Steam it with Kentucky Bourbon! What a great idea!
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Cool Steam Bending the Easy Way!!!!!

Yahoo! Believe it or not steaming the plywood with the iron worked! It could not have been easier. Here are some pics of a test piece of plywood bent onto the frame (I used the frame itself as the bending form). No kerf cuts (learned today that is what "back cuts" are really called) were required for the bend.

I'm pretty happy about this method working as it will give me the strength I need in the radius and when I count the time that would be required to make all those 1/8" "kerf" cuts it will probably take about the same amount of time to steam bend with the iron.

The procedure is pretty simple; secure the frame, secure the plywood to the frame (I used brads for the test), put some washcloths or towels on the area of the plywood you will be steaming (this keeps the iron from burning the plywood), turn your iron to high and basically apply pressure to the bend with your hand or clamps while you slowly "iron" the plywood. I used a 1 x 3 to spread out the pressure and hand bent the piece until it was close enough for a clamp to reach it. It just takes constant ironing and patience. Not once did I hear a crack or pop...I just went nice and slow. Amazing. I still can't believe it worked.

The plywood in my test is a lower quality piece of 1/4" luan plywood. The final finish ply will be clear Baltic Birch. In this case I turned the frame over, nailed the bottom on and bent around the locker face.

For the "real deal" I think I'll rough cut out the door opening before bending, which will give me more clamping positions, and then glue onto the bottom frame, let it dry then bend down onto the locker face. I'll cut my blank to width and let it run long on the top. Once everything is dry then I can go back with the router and clean up the wild edges for the opening and the top.
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