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Old 08-05-2015, 08:02 PM   #15
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Thumping noise under hood.

I don't have a 375 ft lb torque wrench. I use a 4 foot breaker bar with a mark at 2'. I stand my 200 lb butt a little short of the mark depending on how much beer I've been drinking. Should be very close to the 375 spec.

Then I mark each lug nut with a sharpie. From the nut to the rim. Easy inspection to see if any of them have moved.

Several companies make some nice locking devises. Not anti theft but lock the nuts in place. Common on trucks.
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:40 PM   #16
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I will call the tire place and let them know, have a conversation and hear what they have to say.

Longstanding, reputable folks, who Doug trusted completely, and no reason for me not to.

Not sure what the difference was this time, as this is the 4th, I think, tire rotation since I have been on my own......and never had this rather scary noise before.

It was a bit intimidating.

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I trust my local tire guys too. I still check behind them. Anybody can get in a hurry or be distracted and make a mistake. That's probably what happened.

If the lug nuts had come off, you know what could happen!! Learn how to check torque. You can do it! Doug probably left a wrench around there somewhere.
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Old 08-06-2015, 03:45 PM   #17
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Well.....

this morning I am on Rt. 18 heading toward Magnolia, IL, then home, and I am hearing thumping again...not as loud, then suddenly louder, and I am hoping I can find someone in Magnolia to check my tires......too late...big thump, I hit the ground, and the rear drivers side tire had FALLEN OFF!

6 hours later, sheriff's deputy assisting, I have been towed on a flat bed to the tire guy in Bloomington, and am home. AAA tows 100 miles, and that was more than enough.

Fortunately I was on a rural road, no real traffic, tire didn't hit anyone, although we looked and looked and could not find it. It must be in the cornfield somewhere.

Did notice that two lug nuts appear to have broken off, as you can see the shiny silver stems.

I am fine, Lily is fine, and there doesn't appear to have been any damage to anything but where the tire is attached.....but we'll see what assessed damages are.

Yikes. Doug would say "don't feel sorry for me, I feel sorry enough for myself".


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Old 08-06-2015, 04:13 PM   #18
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As several of you have suggested, I think I do need to buy something to check the lug nuts myself.

Doug would have probably known immediately, when he heard those thumping noises, that it was the tires.

It is not something I want to do......but if I had checked them yesterday, or this morning, this might not have happened.


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Old 08-06-2015, 04:40 PM   #19
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Miss Maggie, glad you are ok... That could have been really bad... Sounds like a serious discussion is due with tire guys.
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:09 PM   #20
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It could have been much worse....we could have been hurt, someone else could have been hurt, or the Interstate wrecked.

Does this sound like fault of mine or something not done correctly at the tire place?.....where it is right now. I drove probably 80-90 miles since the tire rotation.....they were hand tightened on Monday evening or Tuesday morning.

I don't know how to argue this, really, but if what they tell me doesn't make sense I will get my insurance company involved. Don't know if I will make a claim or not till I hear what they have to say. I did take pictures.

I don't think the tire guys will screw me over, I really don't.....but, we'll see.

I told them exactly what happened, and they can see the two broken lug nuts.

Thanks for all your help here. I'll keep you posted.


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On the flatbed.....

I don't know what all this is, this is just what is where the wheel once was.
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:44 PM   #22
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My $.02.
I would guess your tire guy left the lug nuts loose?
I would file a claim with his liability insurance company instead of your's.

Glad you are OK.
On to the next adventure!!!
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:52 PM   #23
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I will see what they tell me....I did tell them my nephew tightened the lug nuts about 60 miles in, so his were the last hands on them.


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Old 08-06-2015, 06:40 PM   #24
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Maggie, any mechanic with a pneumatic wrench can under or OVER tighten a lug nut (or any other nut for that matter). An overtightened lug nut (or lug bolt) can actually stretch the metal and then you start the rotating the wheel... and heat builds up and the lug SNAPS. And anyone in a hurry can over-tighten one or two, and under-tighten the rest.

It doesn't take arm strength to manipulate lugs - It takes "butt". Use a pipe over the end of a long wrench and sit on it. Loosening or tightening - the sucka is gonna move!

Tightening an over tightened lug... I really don't know how you detect that, and I actually own and use my torque wrench. When I last changed tires on a trailer I also went from 15 inch to 16 inch rims. I had a shop put the tires on the rims, but I ran my rig up on ramps, busted the old lugs loose (breaker bar assisting) and installed and torqued the new rims - with new bolts too.

So experienced mechanics? How do I detect over tightened lugs?

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Well, I know zilch about such things.

If I were tightening them myself, how would I know when they were tight enough? When they no longer moved?

Can you over tighten doing it yourself?

My eyes are crossing, and my head is starting to ache.


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Well, I know zilch about such things.

If I were tightening them myself, how would I know when they were tight enough? When they no longer moved?

Can you over tighten doing it yourself?

My eyes are crossing, and my head is starting to ache.


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Turn the handle at the end of the wrench until it reads the amount of torque you want. Put a socket of the correct size on it, probably with an extension so the tool will reach the lug nuts. Turn the lugs clockwise until you fell the wrench go "*click*". The lug nut is then properly torqued. Move on to the next one, in a criss-cross (not the very next one, but skipping one) lug nut, and repeat.
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A torque wrench is a socket wrench has a dial at one end. When the wrench is in storage you set the dial to "0". When you want to check the torque on a bolt you set the dial, by twisting the handle, to the appropriate setting. When you tighten (torque) the bolt the wrench will click loudly when the proper torque is achieved.
I don't know how to know if a bolt is over tightened, except to loosen it the re-torque.

There is a video at this weblink that gives an example of how to use it. You would need one similar to this along with a deep socket that fits your lug nuts.
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Terry must have faster fingers than I
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