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10-03-2008, 01:04 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
, California
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Source for AC and PS Brackets
Hi all. Wednesday while driving our MH from Nevada City home to Dunsmuir the belt that drives the water pump broke.
I called Coachnet and they had the rig (1984 310 Classic Motorhome) towed to Jeff's Truck Service. While replacing the belt they discovered that the AC bracket bolts were broken off. In the process of extracting and replacing these, they have found that the AC bracket AND the Power Steering Pump bracket were broken.
They are having trouble finding replacements for these brackets.
They've checked with Chevy and their usual sources.
Where should I be looking for these?
Also, I am suspicious about why these brackets broke. Anyone have experience with this type of problem?
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Courtesy Parking (W/S/E/Wi-Fi) on I-5 in Northern California, 70 miles from Oregon border
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10-03-2008, 02:25 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Does anyone know whether these parts are Chevy standard parts or Airstream special parts?
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10-03-2008, 04:28 PM
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1986 32' Excella
Airstream Funeral Coach
Citrus Heights
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Guy;
454?
you probably don't wanna hear this- "Pick and Pull"
you know the wrecking yard chain here in Nor Cal.
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10-03-2008, 05:43 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Guy,
Timely post. Just yesterday I bought a complete set of replacement A/C brackets for our Argosy. Cost was about $100 plus shipping for the whole set.
The power steering bracket should be the same on any 454 chevy 1-ton truck. The Pick-A-Part that I've been pulling parts from had plenty of them to choose from.
From what I've read and heard the A/C brackets have a tendency to break, unfortunately I don't now why. Can they repair the existing brackets?
I wonder if worn motor mounts might contribute to the problem?
I'll PM you the place I found the brackets.
Brad
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10-03-2008, 05:48 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Guy,
This might help you identify what you're looking for. Believe it or not I found that the 14100871 and 14100873 brackets might be available here in Pasadena.
gm ac mounts 1986 option 7N4.pdf
Brad
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10-03-2008, 06:01 PM
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Rivet Master
Las Vegas
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guy99- adding up all that failed on yours it kind of sounds like the belt/s are not running true. i recently changed the wp & lower smog pump on our 345/454 and in doing so found many spacers of various sizes behind the brackets,needed to keep everything running true.just a heads up.
also we have 3 good sized wrecking yards in my area and if you are unable to find what you need locally contact me and i will check here for ya.
many of your previous posts have helped me to learn my 345,thanks.
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10-03-2008, 07:13 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
Guy,
Timely post. Just yesterday I bought a complete set of replacement A/C brackets for our Argosy. Cost was about $100 plus shipping for the whole set.
The power steering bracket should be the same on any 454 chevy 1-ton truck. The Pick-A-Part that I've been pulling parts from had plenty of them to choose from.
From what I've read and heard the A/C brackets have a tendency to break, unfortunately I don't now why. Can they repair the existing brackets?
I wonder if worn motor mounts might contribute to the problem?
I'll PM you the place I found the brackets.
Brad
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Glad to hear that the power steering bracket should be easy. Wonder why this truck shop and the local Chevy dealer can't figure it out?
Thanks for info on the AC bracket and for the document, seems like it will be very helpful. How/where did you find it?
I think your motor mount idea has merit since the rig has been running for thousands of miles without burning belts and then suddenly it eats belts and breaks brackets. Something has to have changed and none of the related components have been worked on recently.
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1984 310 Limited Motorhome
Courtesy Parking (W/S/E/Wi-Fi) on I-5 in Northern California, 70 miles from Oregon border
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10-03-2008, 07:31 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Guy,
Hopefully you won't throw the old a/c bracket away. From what people tell me they are rather scarce so possibly it could be repaired or copied someday.
Brad
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10-03-2008, 07:38 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 345bill
guy99- adding up all that failed on yours it kind of sounds like the belt/s are not running true. i recently changed the wp & lower smog pump on our 345/454 and in doing so found many spacers of various sizes behind the brackets,needed to keep everything running true.just a heads up.
also we have 3 good sized wrecking yards in my area and if you are unable to find what you need locally contact me and i will check here for ya.
many of your previous posts have helped me to learn my 345,thanks.
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Thanks. I have in the past had issues with belt alignment with consequent slipping and burning, etc. BUT the rig has run in the current configuration for many thousands of miles without problems, so, I'm assuming that one of the components failed from age, or something else is wrong which I hope will be apparent when all the broken bits are replaced and in operation.
Thanks for the offer to search the wrecking yards. I'm going to drive the 100 miles to the shop that has the rig tomorrow to examine the broken parts so I know what to look for. Hopefully I'll be able to find what I need, but I may have to call on you.
Thank you for saying that some of my posts have been helpful. I have derived much benefit from this site so I try to 'pay it forward'. Its nice to hear that I am somewhat successful.
Thanks,
Guy
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10-03-2008, 08:03 PM
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1986 32' Excella
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So GUY;
Are you a KVMR listner??
Bluegrass for fathers day and now the Celtic thing! Did you stay at the fairgrounds?
I've also got a ton of info from your posts and really hope to see you again at Casini maybe this upcoming spring?
I've got a bunch of saved threads on moho stuff, Maybe I'll have my little moho dependable enough to drive to Casini!
If you can't find the stuff you need you could "borrow" mine to get you home. yup you could!
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10-03-2008, 08:26 PM
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Guy;
Just remembered that the PO of my moho gave me a box of extra motor parts. I recall seeing some accessory brackets in there. When he got the rig it did not have smog headers and he searched aroung for those, well any way I'm wondering if there may be a few different brackets, like for smog pump, alt, savvy
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10-03-2008, 09:50 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doorgunner
Guy;
... savvy
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Yes, I see.
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10-05-2008, 09:20 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Not as simple as you'd think.
Yesterday I drove the 100 miles to where the MH is stranded. Empties the refer and gathered up belongings to bring home. Examined the brackets in question.
The AC bracket seems to be the one pictured in the document Brad posted, and his source says they have the bracket available. So it seems that I'll be able to get one.
As to the PS bracket. Seems like it should be easy to find, right, well maybe not.
I took the bracket to the only junk yard in Chico (Pick and Pull). No luck. There sure are a lot of different PS mounting brackets on Chevy V-8's but I couldn't find the one I need. So, I'm back to square one on that. Here are some (poor quality, but what do you expect from a phone) pictures of the bracket.
So if anyone has/sees one of these, ...
The other thing I hope to do is get a diagram and part number. Any ideas where I should look. I have a P-30 shop manual but it doesn't seem to picture any of the MH specific stuff.
And so the search goes on.
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10-05-2008, 10:53 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Here's the diagram from the manual
The quality is actually pretty good if you expand it.
Anyone know how to get a part number?
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10-05-2008, 11:01 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doorgunner
So GUY;
Are you a KVMR listner??
Bluegrass for fathers day and now the Celtic thing! Did you stay at the fairgrounds?
I've also got a ton of info from your posts and really hope to see you again at Casini maybe this upcoming spring?
I've got a bunch of saved threads on moho stuff, Maybe I'll have my little moho dependable enough to drive to Casini!
If you can't find the stuff you need you could "borrow" mine to get you home. yup you could!
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Yes, I am a KVMR listener whenever possible. Unfortunately I can't get it here, except online.
We stayed at the fairgrounds for the Bluegrass.
Yeah, I sorry we haven't been able to make any rallies recently, my knee problem kept us away from Casini this spring and now we have a lot to do to get ready for our Mexico trip in November. (If I ever get the beast home).
I really need to get this fixed and my knee would make it difficult to do the repair myself, so I'm going to leave the MH at the truck shop until I find the parts. But thanks for the very generous offer of the the loan
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10-05-2008, 11:09 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
Guy,
Hopefully you won't throw the old a/c bracket away. From what people tell me they are rather scarce so possibly it could be repaired or copied someday.
Brad
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No, I won't throw it away. It seems to be cast aluminum and I have been told that it can't be welded so I'm not sure what kind of repair would work (JB Weld ? )
Here's a picture:
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10-05-2008, 01:27 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1973 27' Overlander
1963 19' Globetrotter
Naples
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If you have cast alum.,and a welder who knows what they are doing,I see no reason why it can`t be welded.Dave
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10-25-2008, 02:19 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by guy99
As to the PS bracket. Seems like it should be easy to find, right, well maybe not.
I took the bracket to the only junk yard in Chico (Pick and Pull). No luck. There sure are a lot of different PS mounting brackets on Chevy V-8's but I couldn't find the one I need. So, I'm back to square one on that. Here are some (poor quality, but what do you expect from a phone) pictures of the bracket.
Attachment 68827
Attachment 68828
So if anyone has/sees one of these, ...
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Guy,
I stopped by my favorite Pick-A-Part place this morning and managed to snag two sets of power steering brackets that match the ones in your picture. They came off of early 80s Chevy 1-ton dually trucks with the 454 engine.
Brad
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10-26-2008, 05:04 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
Guy,
I stopped by my favorite Pick-A-Part place this morning and managed to snag two sets of power steering brackets that match the ones in your picture. They came off of early 80s Chevy 1-ton dually trucks with the 454 engine.
Brad
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Thanks. I'll look for a yard that has that sort of vehicle. I'd be curious to know what you paid for them?
I've been watching some on ebay. Also I'm pretty sure I have found a source: Chevy Car Parts | Vintage - GMC Car, Classic Truck Parts In the 1971- 1987 truck catalog page 99 (PG 101 of the .pdf).
Here's a link to a set of AC brackets on ebay eBay Motors: Chevy 396,454 BB Air Conditioning Bracket Set, AC A/C (item 270287064905 end time Oct-23-08 06:56:15 PDT).
I'd be interested in your opinion of why they would or would not work on a MH. I imagine it would be difficult to tell without seeing them installed.
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10-26-2008, 05:36 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by guy99
Thanks. I'll look for a yard that has that sort of vehicle. I'd be curious to know what you paid for them?
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They charged me $2.99 for each bracket and since there are two brackets per set I spent $5.98 per set.
The ones listed match the ones I picked up at the pick-a-part.
The ones you are watching on eBay won't work. Those particular brackets place the compressor somewhat off to the side of the valve cover right where the tunnel enclosure is. I have a set of those laying on a shelf in my shop.
I'm pretty sure the ones needed for the Motorhomes are unique to the Motorhomes and probably to the P30 chassis line of trucks.
Terry told me about a truck salvage yard near where he works. Sometime in early December I hope to drive down there and check the place out.
I still hope to take a bunch of measurements off of the one I have and see what it would take to fabricate one. Heck, all it takes is time and money, right . Neither of which I have .
Brad
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