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Old 11-28-2012, 11:11 AM   #85
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I finely have good news from the s-l-o-w people at enginekits.com. also none as 'powerhouse engine components' in Bakersfield, CA. They shipped the rotating parts yesterday. Only took them 15 days to fill the order and ship it. Was going to cancel the order today and get it elsewhere. Still haven't got a FedEx tracking number. Well never order from them again!
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:09 PM   #86
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Found this article in my "Bathroom reading selection".

Numbers do not go low enough for our needs, but it is good reading and info just the same...
It made over 500ftlb of torque at 3200rpm with a less than 8-1 static CR, and no stroker kit.
Only thing I could not see was what head castings they used... they just said stock cast iron oval port heads from "70's era Suburban".
Looks good for your build Mel!

Blue Collar 454 - Car Craft Magazine
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:04 PM   #87
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454 from Car Craft mag

Hey Keyair, great find! I would vote for the Summitt 1300(or similar) cam for our use, very similar but enhanced torque starts at 1000RPM, cam tops out at 4500RPM. That"s right about the max RPM we would want to run.
Good Luck with your build Choctawmel!
All the best.Cheers! Rich.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:39 PM   #88
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Hey Keyair, great find! I would vote for the Summitt 1300(or similar) cam for our use, very similar but enhanced torque starts at 1000RPM, cam tops out at 4500RPM. That"s right about the max RPM we would want to run.
Good Luck with your build Choctawmel!
All the best.Cheers! Rich.
Agreed.
Here is a link to part 2...
Blue Collar 454, Part 2 - Car Craft Magazine

I just got the Part 3 in the Feb 2013 mag, and there it is...
They used the stock GM 049 head castings, which were the best larger oval port factory heads, which were superceded by the 781 castings which flowed similar but were redesigned to reduce the cracking common in the 049 heads.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:37 AM   #89
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Thumbs down Choctawmel's 454 build, and the Feds attack on his camshaft.

There is one more component to building and/or maintaining our 454s that does not obviously jump out into our consciousness.
Remember the bounty on removing V8 blocks from consumer use? Especially big blocks?
Well the attack has been reoriented via our engine oil.
All phosphorous has been removed from engine oils via Federal edict from the EPA.
So what?? Well phosphorous in tiny, miniscule, molecular, amounts helps to cushion oil molecules. When subjected to extreme conditions of pressure, molecules of oil with the traditional phosphorus additive maintain their resistance to being crushed, flattened ,smeared, etc, and loosing lubricity.
Hence the rash of camshaft and lifter failures happening in traditional "old school" V8 engines.
Especially when using new aftermarket flat tappet cams that have not aquired a molecular coating of oil!
**Where does the failure start? on the interface of the cam lobe and the flat face of the tappet/lifter, with catastrophic failure following. Often resulting in a final trip to the junkyard for the older V8 powered vehicle.** With the owner usually being none the wiser as to why his engine has suddenly failed.
Apparently phosphorous is the only element that effectively prevents this from happening.
Just how much of a pollutant could this tiny amount of phosphorous be? Any free phosphorous landing anywhere, is taken up rapidly by vegetation and contributes to the health and strength of the plants.
New "clean" V8s are all being built with roller cams from the factory.
Check out the hotrod and drag racing communities for more info on this.
Just thought I would mention it, as I just remembered it.
Going to do a search and find some cam lube this morning.
All the best, Cheers! Rich
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:44 PM   #90
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Found this 124 pound box by my drive way the UPS guy rolled off his truck. MY ROTATING PARTS! Took the whole box to the machine shop before I even opened it. My timing was just right to catch him before he ran off for the weekend. Inside: 8 flat top piston/pins, rings, rods, rod bearing, main bearing, crank shaft, flex plate, and harmonic balancer. I figured they'd include the balancer bolt, the flex plate bolts and the snap rings for the piston pins, but didn't find them. Now I wait.
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I picked up my newly powder coated headers today also. With them the challenge will be NOT to scrap the coating all off getting them in and bolted up.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:07 PM   #91
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Christmas came EARLY!

So as not to drag your thread off your build, I will repost those links to the Carcraft 454 build to Dadstoy's 454 discussion.
Limey, you are spot on on the additives issue, but will post some info also in that thread!
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:28 PM   #92
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Finally I'm getting my parts back. The Machine shop didn't rake me over the coals too bad.
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Got my cam button ground, filed, sanded. the cam end-play is .006 (.005-.010).
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Used plastic Gage on the main bears and they are good. New rear seal is in and it turns!
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If I had the piston pin retainers, I could be working into the night. Maybe they'll come tomorrow.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:01 AM   #94
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I can't stand/work for very long at a time, but do wish I could just rest a little and get back at it. I ordered all the parts a month ago tomorrow. What I get for trying to get things done between Halloween and Robert E Lee's birthday.
Waiting for FedEx.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:30 AM   #95
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Finely, I got the wrest pin retainers! Called to tell them I need them 7Dec, they didn't shipped them till 10Dec! I got them 17Dec. BY USPS no less. They take all steps to satisfy there customers... NOT!
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Check to make sure I put the rod on the pistons right, get the pin retainers in, the rings on and start installing into block one bank at a time. You see the error of my ways coming yet?
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No? OK I'll admit it then. Turned the block to put the other bank of pistons in and the first one will not go on the rod journal. Two rod-piston in the block wrong. All the other 4 are wrong. Guess I took too many beer breaks!
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After removing the oil rings and fighting that little coil retainer ring I got them in the right way. Broke one rod bearing and pinch another before I figured out the error of my ways. Two trips to O'Reilly's, 1st on the bicycle to order, then after dark in the Miata to pickup a rod bearing. That booboo only cost another $5.42. Installed the mid-shaft and oil pump. Had to hammer out the corner to clear the new oil pump. Bolted the pan on, rotated the crank, nothing hitting anything, pull the pan back off, turn the engine up right.
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Coated the head gasket with 'Copper Coat'. Used the hoist to put the heads on. A lot slower, but less painful. Hurt the old back when I pull that 110fp torque on the mains. I started the head torquing process at 120ip (10fp) and increased by 10fp till I got the short bolts to 60fp and the long bolts to 80fp. Re-torqued 3 times. Now I turn the engine back over and install pan and gasket. turn the engine back up right again
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Soaked the roller lifter in a can of oil and installed them. Then it's work stop time. The push rod retainers are 5/16 and the new rods are 3/8. Call O'reilly's and for $8 a piece (X8) I can pick them up at noon.
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It's looking good.

This is the fun part. I enjoy building engines. It's the taking them out, cleaning, disassembly, and cleaning that I don't like that much.
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It's amazing how fast an engine can be built ONCE you have all the parts in hand! Like everyone else I dislike the removal and cleaning aspect. Unfortunately the cleaning aspect will make a huge difference in the final product so it's gotta be done.

Looks like you'll have the engine ready to go back in sometime in the next week or so. Just in time for Christmas!

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Looking good Mel!
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