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Old 11-11-2012, 03:06 PM   #71
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I measured the stock intake- 2 7/8" tall. The Edelbrock 2161 is 3.8" tall. Basically 1" taller. I have the Banks inlet on top a throttle body. The spacers (don't work very well) are so the lower filter housing (stock for carburetor) will clear the throttle linkage and the valve cover. With the 1" extra height of the intake, may be about to cut the spacers out between the TB and the housing.
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A guy down the street from me has EFI 454's setting on the floor(it's a junk yard). I think the EFI stock lower filter housing is built different (low profile). Got to make a trip with my housing to compere with one he may have. Otherwise, buy or built a plenum and relocate the filter up front..
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On the subject of the intake...

I have a 2160 Edelbrock Performer with the EGR.. even tho my 84 did not have EGR, even the stock cast iron intake has provision for it... just a blanking plate on the hole, which is what I planned to do.



I am concerned about it being too tall as well..
The carb mounting looks a lot thicker/taller that the stock one..




Here is a good view of the overall heights so you might be able to compare..
Underside of Valley mounting flange to top of Banks filter is about 14 1/2"


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Old 11-11-2012, 04:47 PM   #72
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Pully that 454 Air Filter

May I suggest checking out Summit racing's "air filter bases" ?
They have numerous sizes and in + or - base heights.
Might work for you as an adapter to the Banks filter.
Good luck with it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:14 PM   #73
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May I suggest checking out Summit racing's "air filter bases" ?
They have numerous sizes and in + or - base heights.
Might work for you as an adapter to the Banks filter.
Good luck with it.
All the best. Rich.
What I used was/is two 1" plastic space from O'Riellys. Could not get them to stay stacked. Had to glue then together and to the air filter base. They still didn't stay put!
Summit has <summitracing.com/parts/trd-2380> 2" spacer that maybe would work better.... It I have the clearance under the dog house will be the question.
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The Air filter two step

Yep, had the same exact problems with trying to keep my stock Airstream filter. Finally just bought a 4" high x 14" Spectre unit with a 1'' highrise base plate,works fine. When I have a little personal breathing room I may adapt the stock filter. Or buy an air enclosure with dual 4" air horns.
Keeping the Banks unit for your improved cold air flow is more important though.
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:21 PM   #75
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I talked to the machinist. Going to bore to .030 over. That's 488.9ci.
Ordered the rotating parts with compression ratio of 8.55:1.
Ordered the hydraulic roller cam.
Ordered the Edelbrock 2161 w/o ERG.
Picked up the HV oil pump and pickup screen at O'Rielly's.
Still need:
Gasket, seal set.
Head bolts, header bolts
Check on aluminum HV water pumps. Warranty's run from 30 days to 1 year. Case iron comes with lifetime warranty. Got to think about this one.
Now I just hope the machining don't take too long. Already starting to forget what it looked like all in one piece.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:33 PM   #76
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I talked to the machinist. Going to bore to .030 over. That's 488.9ci.
Ordered the rotating parts with compression ratio of 8.55:1.
Ordered the hydraulic roller cam.
Which cam are you using?

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Ordered the Edelbrock 2161 w/o ERG.
Picked up the HV oil pump and pickup screen at O'Rielly's.
Still need:
Gasket, seal set.
Head bolts, header bolts
Check on aluminum HV water pumps. Warranty's run from 30 days to 1 year. Case iron comes with lifetime warranty. Got to think about this one.
Now I just hope the machining don't take too long. Already starting to forget what it looked like all in one piece.
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Do you have headers or are you going to run headers?

The cast iron water pump is so cheap it's hard to pass it up. Our 310 never has run hot and it runs all stock components. The temperature only climbs above 200 when towing in the mountains and even then 220 is about tops.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:43 AM   #77
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This is the printout for the cam. Not sure if it will be readable on this post.
I do have the 'Banks' headers, which are getting power coated, and the 'Banks' fresh air inlet/air cleaner housing w/K&N air filter.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:55 AM   #78
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What I've been up to, parts I have:
Edelbrock #2161 aluminum intake- 11-13-12
Comp-Cam- 11-19-12
Aluminum HV water pump- 11-21-12
Seal/gasket set- 11-21-12
Still waiting:
Stroker Kit- may ship Monday, haven't balanced all the parts yet???? Dang! They sell this stuff 'balanced', why not have them already balanced?
Block- need pistons from stroker kit before he can bore the block.
So, here I set, waiting for UPS.
Think I'll just eat a whole bunch of turkey, drink some beer and watch a football game. As I think about that aluminum radiator.
Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!
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bkahler, you may want to reconsider purchasing an edelbrock cam. I had to replace two new edelbrock cams purchased new for my 327 engine since both failed (worn lobe) in less than 100 miles. Was told they are manufactured in Mexico and weren't heat treated properly. Went with Comp-cam and have had no problems since.
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I wanted to bring this back up. The timing gears are a weak point. Get a quality roller timing chain set. I didn't see a chain set on your list yet (if I overlooked it, my apologies).

I wanted to drop in one other thing. One of, if not the very, top brands of timing sets is Cloyes (at Summit Racing for instance). Their True Roller timing sets are something of a standard. The thing is, Cloyes makes almost all the timing gears in America. They build the gears and put them in bins. When they fill orders, they take the appropriate box and pull gears from the bin. So they pull the same gears and chains and ship, for example, 14 Cloyes, 22 NAPA, 30 TRW, etc... So no matter who you buy a roller set from, you are getting the same product. So if you find a better price, on say TRW than Cloyes, go for it.

Cloyes factories are in Paris (my home town) and Subiaco (5 miles down AR22), Arkansas. Lots of people I know have worked there.
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Awesome progress and writeup Choc!

I have pulled at least 2 454's out of their resting places(Suburbans)...
You comment about the oil fill tube had me thinking...
Did you mean the dipstick tube?
If so, it is like the ones I have done, they are a push fit, but do have a tab that is under one of the header bolts.

When you have the motor out, I want to see how your timing gears look...
On my '87 'Burb, they disintegrated....Common issue... You will be happy if you find it early!


The stock cam gear is aluminum couted with nylon/plastic for quietness..
The plastic gets brittle with age, and breaks up, allowing the chain to eat the sprocket..
Oh, and whilst its doing that it drops this kinda stuff into the oil pan...


I didn't, leaving me with this to fix...
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Yep, I agree Vaughan, Thats why I post those pics every time we get into this area!

I think mine was a Cloyes... its been a while..

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It is a Comp-Cam, not a Edelbrock cam. The intake is from Edelbrock.

The Comp-Cam includes: new push rods, new timing chain/gears, new 122# springs, new spring retainers, new hyd rollers lifter, cam button, new valve seals, new valves and ofcourse the cam.
The Stroker kit includes everything from the harmonic balancer to the flex plate. Got a new HV oil pump and HV aluminum water pump too. I'm going with the whole 9 yards.
Just got to wait for my UPS truck to pull in the drive with the rotating parts that aren't shipping out of Bakersfield till next week. May not get the block ready to built before Pearl Harbor Day:<( I'll have forgot what I'm working on by then
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My mistake, I thought I read where one of the posts stated edelbrock cam; just thought I share my negative results with their cams.
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bkahler, you may want to reconsider purchasing an edelbrock cam. I had to replace two new edelbrock cams purchased new for my 327 engine since both failed (worn lobe) in less than 100 miles. Was told they are manufactured in Mexico and weren't heat treated properly. Went with Comp-cam and have had no problems since.
Gunner, I am using a Comp-cam
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