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Old 06-18-2010, 10:52 AM   #15
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Making slow progress..
Seems that the canister at the back is a Vacuum storage unit, not the Charcoal canister.
I am still really confused about what SHOULD be fitted, and so I posted over on RV.net hoping to get some feedback from other vintage P32 Chassied M/H owners.
Also waiting to hear back from a Smog Referee, on what should be fitted to this year/weight M/H.

Anyone got a 84ish lower airfilter case they want to sell?
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:53 PM   #16
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Well, the Smog Referee never called....
Why am I not surprised!
Good luck with Goverment run Healthcare... served DMV style!
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:31 PM   #17
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Anyone got a 84ish lower airfilter case they want to sell?
Steve, If you live in Rancho Santa Margarita then you're about 60 miles from an auto salvage yard that mainly has 80s and 90s vehicles or at least it used to in 2008 when I spent a lot of weekends there pulling parts from various vehicles.

I actually got a full air cleaner assembly from an 82 Chevy 454 1-ton pickup which is what you're looking for. Unfortunately the one I got is for our Argosy .

The place is located in Monrovia. Here is the pertinent information for the yard:

Gem City Auto Dismantlers
3301 Peck Road
Monrovia, CA 91016-5001
(626) 445-2683

It's a u-pull it type of place. Very dusty but worth the trip. They seemed to turn their inventory fairly regularly as well.

Hope this helps,

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Old 07-01-2010, 11:27 AM   #18
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Thanks for that.
I am a regular of the Junk yards, so know the drill. Not tried that one yet, so thanks for the info. I was at the Riverside Pick-A-Part
3760 Pyrite St, just off the 60 a couple of weeks ago, and there was 3 class A motorhomes there, but all Chrysler based. There was a bunch of 1t Pickups, but all later models with TBI.
My Shop manual arrive, and have spent the last few days scouring it for info...
I am more confused now!
I cannot find any computer on my M/H, nor can I see a O2 sensor...
Moving house this next week, so its gotta go on the backburner, but my daughter arrives at the end of July, so must have it ready for a road trip!
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Old 07-01-2010, 11:39 AM   #19
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Thanks for that.
I am a regular of the Junk yards, so know the drill. Not tried that one yet, so thanks for the info. I was at the Riverside Pick-A-Part
3760 Pyrite St, just off the 60 a couple of weeks ago, and there was 3 class A motorhomes there, but all Chrysler based. There was a bunch of 1t Pickups, but all later models with TBI.
My Shop manual arrive, and have spent the last few days scouring it for info...
I am more confused now!
I cannot find any computer on my M/H, nor can I see a O2 sensor...
Moving house this next week, so its gotta go on the backburner, but my daughter arrives at the end of July, so must have it ready for a road trip!
Junk yards are our friends

It sounds like you have a copy of the same manual I have which talks about computers and sensors. I'm wondering if the 83 manuals would be more appropriate to our 84 chassis? The Chevy vin on my motorhome indicates an 84 manufacture date but who knows.

In the next few weeks if you still haven't located the lower portion of the air filter assembly I can always loan you the one I bought for our Argosy. Its going to be a while before its running.

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This is just a thought. I suspect the DMV may not be the agency you need for the smog issue.

I believe the Bureau of Auto repair, not the DMV, is involved in the "nuts and bolts" (sorry) of what's needed. They will likely refer you to a licensed smog test station. I think they just put the vin number in and can give you your answer.

It may be worth a try. There are so many exceptions depending on the location of the residence for registration purposes, you end up be doing some things you may not need.
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And.....1 more thought. My recollection is that Banks is a California company located in Azuza and met all CA emissions standards. If all the PO took was the Edelbrock, it might be a fairly inexpensive fix if you can get the parts from a Banks dealer. You'd have the performance advantages of the repaired system as well. I think they were fairly simple systems back then.

My impression from reading rv forums is that most owners are satisfied and like their customer service. You might give them a call.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:56 PM   #22
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Thanks for the input Argy.
You are correct about Banks, and in fact I put in a call to them and confirmed that the Banks Kit was and is Smog Legal when installed as per their instructions. The even sent me a free CARB sticker to mount on my Airstream.
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:00 AM   #23
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Here is an update..
Firstly, the last 2 months I have been a touch distracted and have barely worked on this.
An engine rebuild, and 2 transmission rebuilds on my sons cars, plus I moved house and had family visit for 3 weeks after that...
But lets not get distracted with the distractions!

Talk about going around and around in circles!
Finally talked to a very helpfull Smog Referee!
He said that in these cases it was common for the Chassis to sit around for a while, either at GM or Airstream or anywhere in between for months or even years before being built and registered... and that manufacturing date dictates the Smog equipment fitted. He suggested I call Airstream and get them to look it up...

So I call Airstream and they "dont keep records that far back", and suggest that I call GM and give me a number that is now disconected... I call them back and they tell me to talk to Workhorse who aquired the rights to the P30/32 Chassis and they should have the info... guess what... same statement as Airstream!

So I try the local GM dealer... they said the Vin does not show in their system.
Then they say I should call "The man who will know" at another dealership in Huntington Beach that is a P30 specialist... He is in a meeting constantly... The people who answer the phone, either refer me to Airstream or put me on hold waiting for "The Man", and then hang up on me!
After 2 days of calling, I talk to "The man that knows" in HB... he says he knows, says he can help me and starts telling me all the stuff that should be there... he mentions a Computer, and I point out gently for the 5th time that its a Federal smog not California... so he suddenly says Oh, and he cant help me... he does not know.. tells me to call AAA, as they can help me....

AAA says they can't and don't offer any help with this.
Aghh.

All this leads me to wonder... If the Smog Referee cant tell me what was fitted, how would they tell me something is missing?
I am told there is a Book... that most smog stations use as a reference guide to tell them what should be there... Someone said its is called the Mitchell Guide and someone said its called the Motors Guide... I have searched it, but am not sure if it will help..
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Just a a silly thought, why don't you just drive it down to a smog station and let them check it? If it fails challenge them tell you why and prove with pictures from their book the basis of their decision. In other words make them do their job. If they can't demonstrate then you would have a case for appeal.

I don't know how Calif. is now but it used to have some kind of waiver if it couldn't be fixed for $300 or $400.

Again just an idea. Cheers, Dan
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:37 AM   #25
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Yes, I have thought about just taking it down there, but here are my 2 reasons...
1/ I have been so busy the last 3 months I have only had time to "think" about solutions.
2/ Around here they charge about $150 for a M/H smog check... pass or fail, and as I am certain it would fail due to the pipes that are flapping free and the incorrect airfilter housing I would prefer to at least feel that It would pass the visual part before I throw $150 down.
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Yes, I have thought about just taking it down there, but here are my 2 reasons...
1/ I have been so busy the last 3 months I have only had time to "think" about solutions.
2/ Around here they charge about $150 for a M/H smog check... pass or fail, and as I am certain it would fail due to the pipes that are flapping free and the incorrect airfilter housing I would prefer to at least feel that It would pass the visual part before I throw $150 down.
Do they still have the wavier program if they can't make it pass? I have had some experience with Calif. DMV and it's funny how things changed after something was formally on paper. The $150 may be the start to a final solution. I understand there are approved aftermarket air cleaners and unused pipes or tubing can be removed. If they are making the decisions then they should be able to prove their findings. Their lack of information should not be your problem.

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Old 09-02-2010, 06:27 PM   #27
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So today the answer arrived...
I found the source of Smog station/Referee information, and I found a copy.
Its called:
Motor: Emissions Control Systems Application Manual.
Mine is an older one and covers from 1966 thru 1998.







So, mine is a 1984 Federal... bottom line of the 1984 block in this following pic..
1984 FEDERAL needs PCV, ACL(thermostat air cleaner.), AIS(secondary air injection), and SPK(spark control) and thats it!
No Computer, No EGR, No evap canister, No cat, No O2 sensor!






So I need to find an Airfilter housing with the Vacuum pod, an Airpump and pipework, figure out the disconnected pipes and I have a visual pass in the works!

Anyone got smog equipment questions... I will be only to happy to look it up!
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