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Old 11-24-2009, 12:29 AM   #29
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Chevy is putting out 500+cu crate engines. Same engine mounts as the 454.

Str8stream put one into his 34 footer and is very happy with the torque and hp.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:09 AM   #30
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Havesome more phone calls to make about transmission chevy dealer in Kingman is an option I think.Need to find out about warranty Jasper doing rebuild is another option need to find out turn around time. Don't have a lot of confidence in local shops one used to be good but it has changed owners.Right now plans are to go back with original stuff intake,exhaust I can upgrade as I go.What about a new distributor ?
As for mileage I don't know have been stationary for a few years hope to hit the road again when Argosy is ready .Then I hope to put a lot of miles on her.Looking back at old records did 5000 miles in about 4 months that was just cruising around not really going any place in particular. So I would say somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 miles per year.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:43 PM   #31
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Just look at all the options. I just mentioned Jasper because of their reputation. The last engine I did(HAD DONE) was a 302 Ford. I looked at Jasper and then found a local Engine builder (race car engines) and a local shop to pull it and go thru the tranny while they had it out. I had then rebuild my block,from the casting out.We replaced everything Crank, Cam,Checked the heads and ground the valves, The replaced the water pump and new belts and hoses. Total was about $1500 OUT and IN. All this was done while I worked. I would probably do it again the same way If I could find a similar circumstances.
I still own that truck and it still runs great,142 K miles on the chasis and 35 k on the motor now.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:22 PM   #32
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Total was about $1500 OUT and IN.
If that is parts and labor if so i am calling shops tomorrow.
As I read back over the thread I realized a lot of you mentioned local rebuild ,race ,shops tomorrow or Mon. I will call some of them.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:33 AM   #33
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Joe, now you're talking. Do a google search and you'll find lots of engine rebuilders. There's bound to be somebody who you'll like at first meeting. I had originally found a shop in eastern GA who do high performance stuff but it ended up being too far away when the time came.

Look for a shop that's clean and organized. It's the first sign of things done right. The right place will look like a lab not a garage.

Keep your eyes open for local hotroders and ask them who is building engines.

Figure out what you want before you start so as to control your final costs.
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:49 AM   #34
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Look for a shop that's clean and organized. It's the first sign of things done right. The right place will look like a lab not a garage.
Glen, you are SO right in your statement above. In rebuilding engines and transmissions having a clean Lab like shop area makes a huge difference. A friend of mine builds Sprint car engines for a living and he has a special sealed off room in his shop that is used for only one purpose, building engines.

Needless to say he is the preferred builder in town.

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I understand that the 502 crate motor from GM is about 18k - but what a motor it is....

You may be able to get the 496 (8.1 liter) as a crate motor much cheaper.

Both of these motors are direct bolt up. Its the nice thing about GM

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Old 12-02-2009, 10:25 AM   #36
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I have a few engine rebuilders in Las vegas I need to check out . There is a guy in Kingman I can talk to but he has had some health issues lately.Thanks for all the help.
Other than an rv cam I don't know what else I could use to make gas mileage, power better.Am going to be doing transmission too.
Brad If I remember you said if I got the numbers you could tell me about it.They are:
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18k for a motor ,in my dreams,.
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Wrong letter on tranny info should be
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I have a few engine rebuilders in Las vegas I need to check out . There is a guy in Kingman I can talk to but he has had some health issues lately.Thanks for all the help.
Other than an rv cam I don't know what else I could use to make gas mileage, power better.Am going to be doing transmission too.
Brad If I remember you said if I got the numbers you could tell me about it.They are:
77cl 251 8
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18k for a motor ,in my dreams,.
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Joe, you need to get the mass rolling with the least amount of energy spent. That means low end grunt. Torque is key.
You also want to burn more gas... that is to say more of it in the combustion process. The big motor dumps a lot of unused fuel into the exhaust. That's why multi spark boxes like MSD are a plus.
Then there's cold air in and hot air out. You want the most coming in and a modicum of resistance coming out.

Proper air pressure in the tires and a patient foot will do lots to help you improve mileage.

Last year when fuel was $4 a gallon I modified my driving habits in the Benz and saw a 10% gain in fuel economy. It's quite amazing what you can do to help your numbers just by watching the vacuum gage. Feather foot could be my name.

I've toyed with a bumper sticker for the back of the bus.

"I can push harder on the gas pedal if you'll buy the gas"
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I don't really go fast I just like to do the speed limit.Not having driven the Argosy I don't know what she will do. From the posts I've read it doesn't sound like any lack of power more at issue is gas mileage .
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I'm not sure if this will help, but try contacting:

Genes Engine Service
21431 N 23rd Ave
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623-582-0373

I searched the net for a respectable builder in the Phoenix area and this guy seem to be a preferred business. Good Luck.
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Bob,Thanks for the info.Phoenix is about three hours from me .If I don't find anything closer I will check them out.
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In my search, I found there are a lot of snakes in the engine building business in Phoenix! Yikes! Gene's is the only one I felt reasonably confident in recommending. There was another shop called Duffee's but they seemed to focus on Fords instead of GM's and they did have a top notch reputation. Mostly I checked the hot rod forums. A lot of the hot rodders are off-roaders and the torque needed for a good 4x4 is the same torque you need for an RV. I'll check Vegas for you also.
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