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Old 06-27-2008, 12:24 PM   #1
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Metal in Transmission Fluid

Had my trany serviced, @ 50,000 miles.
Garage says he found metal shavings in the fluid, I told him it seems to be working fine.
He told me "If it was his, he would drive it until there was a problem"
Is this the right thing to do?
I would hate to break down 500 miles from home, also what should I be looking for ? Hard shift ? slipping ? Noise ?
any help would be great
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:39 PM   #2
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Sounds like you found an honest mechanic. If he did not immediately offer to rebuild the trans I would say you can trust him.

It all depends on what he found, aluminum, steel, or clutch dust. If the pieces were to big to pass through the filter they did not get downstream and into the valve body or converter. They may have been from manufacturing.

I would drive a few thousand miles and then have the pan dropped again. If there is no new material found I would assume it was left over from production.

That sounds strange but several years ago a marine engine supplier would buy new diesel engines from GM and then open them up for modification. When opened they would find metal shavings. A trip to the engine plant found the cleaning people cleaning the shop with air hoses and sending metal everywhere. They may have reassigned those cleaners.
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I am no expert on transmissions, but metal shavings are part of the normal wear of the unit. I have my fluid replaced every 30,000 miles.
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As long as they aren't big, honkin' chunks of metal, it is probably normal wear, especially if it has never been serviced before. You can install an inline transmission filter to catch more contaminants in the fluid, the filters are about $20, and you can change them yearly. At service intervals of 30,000 miles, it will be another 5-8 years (depending on how much you drive it) before you have it serviced again. Make sure you document this situation in your records so you don't forget it between now and then, so the next guy doesn't blindside you with the info.
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Magnetic drain plug

You might try to locate a magnetic drain plug. Along with the filter, it will remove metalic particles amd give you an instant view of what is going on when you change fluid. I also recommend the same for the engine oil pan.
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i'll add that extreme usage requires more frequent than normal fluid AND filter changes. keep an eye and nose on the fluid for darkening or a burnt smell as that can indicate slippage. so far, it sounds like normal wear and tear.
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I replaced a leaking pan gasket on my old '88 Grand Wagoneer, and found a magnet installed by the factory in the bottom of the pan. I would say someone expected a few metal fragments.....
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:27 PM   #8
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Slipping is pretty obvious, especially from gear to gear, never hurts to let up slightly to allow the shift to proceed quickly. Fluid is not so easily diagnosed these days from fluid color or smell. That said, one ought to be familiar with the way it looks and smells. I would be having it changed at 30m, not 50m (or, about 2-3 years) in a T-Tec machine (where there is no external pump, the AT pump is the power for the fluid exchanger; T-Tech Transmission Fluid Exchangers from Automotive Service Equipment

It isn't easy to get the torque converter to empty (yet another thing I loved about my Chrysler trannys is that they had a drain plug for this); why I usually did mine at home (with a helper) and drained about 17-18 quarts through the return line after the cooler[s]. Start and stop, with drive wheels in air; at idle.

The in-pan "filter" is really only a screen. I add a filter on automatics downstream of an auxiliary cooler which itself is downstream of the radiator-mounted cooler; brand is either MAGNEFINE or RACOR for the filter. With this, find out if there is a high-flow screen of brass or other for that trans. With the downstream filter you wouldn't have to change out the in-pan screen again.

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Be sure that the "magnetic plug" is of a good design (sturdy); it is worthwhile, but not if it breaks. With the Magnefine filter this is unnecessary (it will collect ferrous particles), but there are not many in an auto trans.

Aftermarket "deep" pans with a boss for a drain plug, another for a temp gauge and of rigid construction with extra capacity (but not so much that you need an extended pickup for the pump) is always a good idea.

B&M Racing is good for all these products (except the filter).

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Had my trany serviced, @ 50,000 miles.
Garage says he found metal shavings in the fluid, I told him it seems to be working fine.
He told me "If it was his, he would drive it until there was a problem"
Is this the right thing to do?
I would hate to break down 500 miles from home, also what should I be looking for ? Hard shift ? slipping ? Noise ?
any help would be great
Regards
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Tiny metal particles in the transmission pan do not necessarily indicate a problem. Even a moderate amount of metal particles is normal for most vehicles.
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I have a 1983 model 310

I elected not to install a deep trans oil pan due to cross member/tranny mount at the back of the tranny getting in the way of the pan.

I did install a tranny fluid cooler behind the front grill.
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I replaced a leaking pan gasket on my old '88 Grand Wagoneer, and found a magnet installed by the factory in the bottom of the pan. I would say someone expected a few metal fragments.....
Yep. The magnet is designed to keep the larger metal shavings from moving around and smaller shavings from remaining suspended in the fluid.

If you don't know if there is a magnet on the inside of the pan, it's not a bad idea to stick one on the underside of the drain pan or go with a magnetic plug. The free magnet won't go anywhere unless something strikes the magnet, and it will provide some help in holding the fragments.

Like Pop Rivet said, it's a good idea on the oil pan, too.
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Metal in Transmission Fluid
All,
Thanks for all the advise,
I got the beast back from the shop, He said there is a filter screen in there already (by factory I do not know) anyway drove it 100 miles no problems,
So the metal was like "chips" not shavings, looks like machining chips about 1/32" wide x 1/4 " long most smaller ??
Total amount of "chips" well you can spread it over a face of a dime to maybe a nickel.
Magnetic ? Yes.
Fluid was clean.
I told him I will replace the fluid in 2 months "If nothing else happens" and see what it looks like.
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If you want to continue to monitor the condition of the transmission you can take an oil sample out of the transmission and have it tested by a lab. I had it done when my transmission high temperature warning came on and I wanted to verify that it was an electrical problem and not the overheating of the transmission fluid. You can search the internet for companies that do the testing. I used Blackstone Labs (www.blackston-labs.com) who will send out the a collection kit and mailer at no charge.
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I agree, sounds like you found an honest mechanic.
As long as you found large chips and no brown piles of mud in the bottom of the pan (Clutch surface material indicating a lot of slipping) It should be ok.
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