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Old 02-09-2004, 09:48 AM   #15
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First Quote folks: Manufacturer J--------, installed locally 75K and 3 years with RV cam and complete. $4800. Taking it to another place for anaylsis and all the things you guys have talked about. Let You know more soon! R&R part of that is $800. I sure hope those guys know what they are in for.
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Old 02-09-2004, 12:58 PM   #16
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Ditto John on the valve cover baffle. I does sound like you have ring problems though. If the baffle is in place and you are getting that much oil in the filter housing, then you probably have more than one piston with bad rings.

On the other hand, if you are missing the baffle, it is quite possible that you could have a relatively healthy engine. One of my muscle cars had a set of unbaffled valve covers on it and it would completely soak the breather in short order-the motor was fine (new), the lack of a baffle was the issue. I would still recommend your mechanic to check it out as most motor homes are abused rather than cared for. . .ie. long trips, no oil change, put up for months at a time and then expected to do it all over again.


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Old 02-09-2004, 05:37 PM   #17
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Well thats all folks! Engine has been diagnoised as terminal. And at such a young age of only 63000 miles. Even a wonderful engine needs maintenance such as regular oil changes and a owner who makes sure that overheating does not occur. Second mechanic says it is a classic case of neglect. An old probe under the cover was obviously used to check a known overheat condition which was not corrected in time. Sludge and oil marks suggest negeleted oil changes. Who would believe an owner would buy a Beautiful Airstream Motorhome keep it immaculate inside but totally ignor the engine compartment. Engine flunked all tests as suggested in all of your comments and defied all odds by only making it to 63K. Or maybe that is what one can expect without appreciable service. May that engine rest in piece and short life remind to all that engine oil changing, antifreeze change out and other normal engine service is absolutely essential.

A new RV Jasper Engine is on order and though it is a tough financial pill to swallow, it is approrpriate that the Airstream Receive her new heart in time for Valentines Day! Estimate about $5K. Ron
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Old 02-09-2004, 07:16 PM   #18
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Access on these 90's models for engine change are only out the driver door per customer service at Airstream. Access is tight and may require removing items from normal long block. I will know in a week what can and cannot be passed through the little hole. Classics are out the front. I am sure a lot of you all ready know this. Airstream does not remember changing an engine at the factory on one of the 90's Land Yacht.
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Old 02-09-2004, 07:16 PM   #19
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Well thats all folks! Engine has been diagnoised as terminal. And at such a young age of only 63000 miles. Even a wonderful engine needs maintenance such as regular oil changes and a owner who makes sure that overheating does not occur. Second mechanic says it is a classic case of neglect. An old probe under the cover was obviously used to check a known overheat condition which was not corrected in time. Sludge and oil marks suggest negeleted oil changes. Who would believe an owner would buy a Beautiful Airstream Motorhome keep it immaculate inside but totally ignor the engine compartment. Engine flunked all tests as suggested in all of your comments and defied all odds by only making it to 63K. Or maybe that is what one can expect without appreciable service. May that engine rest in piece and short life remind to all that engine oil changing, antifreeze change out and other normal engine service is absolutely essential.

A new RV Jasper Engine is on order and though it is a tough financial pill to swallow, it is approrpriate that the Airstream Receive her new heart in time for Valentines Day! Estimate about $5K. Ron
Cancel your Jasper engine.

If you dso some searching you can get a GM CRATE for about the same price with a 50K 36 month warranty. (about $2400)
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... and the GM engine will be NEW. You might even look for the BB designed for towing. Tons (literary license!) of torque. Excellent warranty at any GM dealer.

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Well I fell for the pitch and bought the deluxe RV model which is a K higher for such things as Stellite Exhaust Valves, RV Cam, and other stuff. I just thought I would give myself a treat after the beating I took on the failure. I had one of the deluxe RV versions before in a Ford big engine and it sure out performed the standard 460 that I had before and since. Maybe I am wasting a little money endulging but boy is the rest of my unit clean and nice. I am even putting thin screen HDTV in since broadcast is in my background. The guy I bought the unit from (Dealer) is only making good on a fraction of the engine cost so the bulk is on me. The mechanic would do any of those mentioned including redoing my questionable core. Warranty is nationwide also and is 3 yr/75K. I hope I made a good decision. The new engine is built and will be here Wednesday. I sure do appreciate hearing from everyone and getting the advice and believe me it was most helpful. The most important advice I can give anyone considering buying a motor home is open up the air cleaner, start the engine, place the unit in gear and make sure you do not have excessive blow by. I can not believe I didn't do this. I am still having a hard time accepting that this nice of a 93 model with only 63000 miles could have a blown engine. Ron
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Old 02-09-2004, 10:03 PM   #22
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Ohhh I see the problem...It had a Ford engine!


Ididn't say that did I?

Sorry the chevy guy in me coming out. I wasn't clear on what motor you had.


That's a great warranty. Hard to beat that.

My next go around I thing will be deisel. I am liking that Cummings TD. Heck of a motor. LOTS of perforamce parts available. I would think it would be a good motor for a Motor Home. It's a I 6 and can easily be up to 500 repliable HP with 800lbft of torque. The I configuration would make working on it easier as long as it has the head room. Only down side is the noise with that sitting right next to you.
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This is my first 454. The only problem I had with the 460 Ford was the carb. The engine ran ok but I couldn't keep that from leaking gas. I built up a chevy 350 myself for a tow for my Avion years ago and that was the best engine I ever had. Built it from it from junk yard block, had it bored, shaved the head a little, etc. Man did it pull that Avion. Since then I have owned one of just about everything and my favorite engine is the 98 Corvette, 98 Doodge 360, and a 327 in my Plastic Avalanche. I had a couple of GM diesels which were good except the Russo oil pumps were ruined by cheap GM design in the 80's. I got tired of the diesels because of the relatively low hp output to weight, the price of diesel climbed, and the addition of fuel injection to gas engines increased there mileage so much that the MPG advantage wasn't as big an incentive. I like the Cummins, the Cats, Perkins etc, but there is a little more of a disadvantage to operation with diesels. Saying that, I can't imagine I would want to turn down one of those big fancy diesel pushers that just sort of rumble along with class. I don't think it fair to judge this 454 that someone abused, so I shall wait a few more weeks to try a totally redone RV version of the 454. I will attempt to judge it as if I had never driven the old one first. I bet I will like it as much as most of you do here on this forum, especially in the new to me Airstream.
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Well the one achillies heel of the 454 is they had some oiling problems on the cam and that cause a lot of flat lobes. When they started with the factory roller cam that problem seems to have gone away. There is a relativly easy fix available to get a little more oil on the cam to help prevent this. It's a tube that is tapped into the oil galley and lays in the valley above the cam. It has some pin holes in it to spray oil on the cam. Jegs and Summit both have kits all though you can make one pretty easy with a small copper line and some fittings.

It's a impressive motor even stock. Lots of torque at very low RPM's. My 88 Sub is laying down 385lbft at 1600RPM and the torque curve stays very flat up to about 2500. In my sub I run away from traffic at the lights with 1/8 throttle and the engine is not even breathing hard making 2400 RPM shifts.

Them poor kids their little hot rod ricers with fart pipes just get so mad when they think they are going to jump the light. I honestly am not trying to drag race them. Truck is just pulling very strong in that RPM range. They haven't got a chance if I give it more then half throttle. LOL
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Toaster and All you who like that 454,
I bet I will be impressed as well. I sure hope the RV version is a real good choice for the extra Bucks. Yes the standard Jasper 454 for a P30 is a lot less dough. I also hope the Jasper people arn't just blowing smoke for that extra thousand. They talk a good story and I hope the extra torque is not at the expense of a rougher idle. We AS people are pretty close to our motors and the stock motor is pretty smooth. Maybe somebody else on this forum has tried a Jasper RV version or something similiar and knows what to expect. Chrome plated vlaves, extra hard stalite exhaust valves, RV cam, better balanced pistons and cranks, accurate oiling, and closer tolerences are all great only if it translates into better performance as in: more poweful acceleration and climbs, greater mpg, and a longer life RV engine. As far as a 75K Warranty, I do not care as I probably will only get to about 10K in three years if I am lucky. I also do not plan to enter my vehicle in the Daytona 500. I havn't made great decisions so far so I am due one now. Anybody think I wasted an extra K for nothing. Ron
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You can't go wrong with a Jasper motor. I have installed a few other brands of rebuild with not much luck.As for the GM crate real nice deal but a very short warranty.Spent the extra dollars with Jasper it's worth it.Good luck
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Reading back on all your posts I noticed that many of you including fangthorpe talked about repairs on the engine in the vehicle. He is probably right in many cases that a unique failure in an engine especially a relatively low mileage one could be taken care in one hole and maybe still in the vehicle. Those of you that have the Land Yacht and Classic models are at a disadvantage as far as accomplishing that. The Suburban is relatively easy to work on and gain engine access compared to these MHs. My previous experence with RVs is towing as well. That brings me to this last comment about you guys that tow. A Suburban driver that can drop the tow must be like a Corvette driver with that big engine. The MH on the other hand never gets to enjoy the rush of rapid acceleration. We will just have to find another way to get that boyhood thrill that never seems to go away even at age 62.
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Old 02-13-2004, 09:08 PM   #28
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Engine came out through the drivers open door with manifolds still attached. Update on installation in 1993 Land Yacht.
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