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Old 05-19-2015, 06:57 AM   #15
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I remember watching a program where a guy traveled the world in a catamaran and stopped at an abandoned island military base. He cranked up and drove an old deuce and a half diesel truck and drove it around the island with no tires. You're probably right.
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Old 05-19-2015, 07:22 AM   #16
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Gas vs. Diesel

The ethanol point is very valid. Between boats, small engines, tractors, and older vehicles, I've had major problems with gas engines that are not run regularly. Ethanol free gas is a very expensive option. Especially in the boat.

I spend quite a bit of time in the Dominican Republic and Costa Rica. Everything down there is diesel. Gas is about 50% more than diesel. Lots of Isuzu powered stuff. Really cute little delivery trucks and even the new Ford small trucks and cars. The stuff they won't sell in the USA.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:18 AM   #17
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Put simply, the diesels of the era you are looking for are pretty good, the new ones are quirky temperamental money pits to be avoided by all reasonable means.

Take any diesel, compare it to a similar gasoline powered vehicle, multiply the repair cost three to several times..... And well, there you are.
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You guys are all making good points on diesels. I wqs already sold on the efficiency. I think I am changing my mind again. Does anyone know the different diesel engines/trannys that could have come with the old Argosys? Once again, I am looking for the late 70's early 80's model 24'. And maybe someone could clarify for me; were there two different companies. Argosy making stuff for Airstream and Airstream itself? I could swear I have seen Airstream model 24's and then Argosys. And another thing; how the heck do you pronounce Argosy???
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:33 AM   #19
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I really would be unable to speak to what one could expect to projected long term costs one may or may not face with a particular purchase....we all infer such things based on expressed shared experiences....but the benefits of diesel engines in all of these threads discussed are clear and I can testify only based on my 1.5 years of towing experience with my 2500 ram Diesel with my 30 foot airstream....

The torque is tremendous of course, but probably for me, the most amazing thing is when traveling up in the smokey mountains the 3 times I have gone now. It made going down steep grades with the exhaust brake really a low stress thing.

But if I knew that this luxury would cost me a relatively huge sum of money over time, would I pay that? Probably not perhaps, depending on the size of that sum of money?

On the other hand, some rave on about the reliability.

This leaves lay people like me totally confused...or maybe it is just me?

Talk to enough people on these subjects and I just feel dizzy.
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I like Diesel. Range, Lifespan, Torque, Loafs on the Highway and I've never had much of a problem starting one, whereas Gas vehicles except the most recent ones sometimes seem need voodoo to run/start. The problem up here is that the vehicle will rust out and fall apart around your diesel engine long before the diesel needs a real overhaul work.

Either way I think a classic MH is a labour of love and a potential money/time pit IMO. Go into with eyes open and enjoy.

If I recall Isuzu, you are not a big fan of the VAG diesels. JDM vs Your particulate filter cost seems a little high though.
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You guys are all making good points on diesels. I wqs already sold on the efficiency. I think I am changing my mind again. Does anyone know the different diesel engines/trannys that could have come with the old Argosys? Once again, I am looking for the late 70's early 80's model 24'. And maybe someone could clarify for me; were there two different companies. Argosy making stuff for Airstream and Airstream itself? I could swear I have seen Airstream model 24's and then Argosys. And another thing; how the heck do you pronounce Argosy???
Without some possible custom exceptions the Argosys were built by Airstream and are built the same as Airstreams with the exception of trim items and the exterior end caps on Argosys are galvanized steel rather then aluminum, probably why they are painted. The early classic motorhomes are all built on P-30 Chevy chassis and most are powered by a 454 Chevy engine with a TH400 or TH475 transmission. The Isuzu diesel was an option and installed with an adapter to the TH transmission however at some point an Allison trans was an option. There were some 350 Chevy's installed in 20' and 24' Argosys and I'm not sure what trans they used. I believe the Isuzu was only used in Airstreams 28' and longer. Again anything might have been custom ordered or modified by dealer or owners.
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Perfect. Thanks!
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If I recall Isuzu, you are not a big fan of the VAG diesels. JDM vs Your particulate filter cost seems a little high though.
Not just 07+ VAG diesels but any diesel produced 07+. As I said manufactures are having a beeatch of a time trying to get diesels to comply with new emissions and cope with low sulphur fuel.

The bottom line is, between particulate filters (my boss checked out replacement price for his Touareg), Urea heater systems, diesel exhaust recirculation systems and all the systems that get clogged and then have to do a hot burn to get rid of particulates; it doesn't bode well for long term reliability.

Give me a pre 2000 noisy clattering VAG diesel any day. Mechanical injection with lots of noise, especially a little turbo whistle and waste gate whoop and no freak'in sensors.

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You know I kind of agree. They are a mess. but you might have seen the post where I drove the old Mercedes out of the junk yard on a bet. Those old things are noisy stinking leaking monsters. But they don't die. I guess it is good to know that the all mechanical diesels are all the same. It would make me feel better about getting one. I agree, the newer ones with all the restrictions scare me.
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You hear horror stories about the $6000 fuel injector job... On the newer stuff. I've found parts on my 5.9 12 valves to be quite reasonable and they are easy to work on. But if you lack the capability to do your own work the diesel mechanics will hurt you with the tolls for their exclusive divinely bestowed powers.
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The new diesels will do fine, no idling , very little town driving, just hook up and go down the road, I've got 90000 trouble free miles ...
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I have a couple of diesel tractors. Diesels STINK. The fuel stinks and the exhaust stinks. If you get a drop on your hands or clothes or shoes you stink untill you change or wash them. And diesels are NOISY. Way more noisy than a gasser. I would never want to be around a diesel as much as I am my daily driver gas pickup.
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I have a couple of diesel tractors. Diesels STINK. The fuel stinks and the exhaust stinks. If you get a drop on your hands or clothes or shoes you stink untill you change or wash them. And diesels are NOISY. Way more noisy than a gasser. I would never want to be around a diesel as much as I am my daily driver gas pickup.

Test drive a new F250 diesel.
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